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Is it illegal to not save people?
Topic Started: Nov 9 2014, 12:38 AM (2,644 Views)
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Nov 11 2014, 02:18 PM
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Nov 11 2014, 10:31 AM
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Nov 11 2014, 06:42 AM
Honestly, this thread is a bit hilarious. I get good reviews from other people as a person during face to face communications. But if I see someone I don't like in a burning building, I wouldn't save them not because I'm a bad guy, but because I don't want a bunch of a-holes in my life. So you better pray that I do like you regardless if you're an a-hole or not.
Quite ironic, because doing that would make you an a-hole. You don't get to decide whether a person's life has worth or not; it inherently does. What exactly is the criteria for letting this happen anyway? "He brags a lot and it's really annoying, I'll just let him die." This is a person's life we're talking about, and you thinking that he's an a-hole isn't any kind of justification for what you'd do.
Save him/her, and then the person isn't thankful and repeats re-offending you again, sounds like a great idea too.
Right, we should let them die so they can't possibly be an a-hole to anyone else, great idea.

I don't know about you, but I'd rather put up with somebody being an a-hole than let them die. I don't care if they're thankful or not; I merely fulfilled an obligation that I had. If they're grateful, then that's fine, but it's not as if I'm only going to save them if they would be. My desire to be free from their behavior doesn't outweigh their right to life; it never will.
In the end, everyone should be reserved the right as to whether or not they want to save someone. If it ever becomes illegal to not save someone, you count me as a potential individualwho is likely to join the protest group. Not everyone deserves respect. Respect is earned, not given. Show me that you deserve to have my friendship in the worse situation.
So, now you have to earn the right to be saved by someone? Let's say that someone is drowning. As you're walking near the lake, you see this. Do you stop and think to yourself; 'they haven't earned my respect, I'm just going to let them drown'? You're perfectly capable of saving them, but you don't due to , what, exactly? Them not proving themselves to be up to your standard of being a good person? If you're in a position to save someone but don't due to some petty personal opinion, then you're a bigger a-hole than that person could ever be.
Fake people could just get very annoying. I don't know if I want to put up with them forever.
Well, it doesn't matter what you want to put up with. You're not the arbiter when it comes to human life. Your annoyance doesn't somehow give you the right to just let someone die when you're in a position to save them. Are you telling me that if you were dying and saw somebody who was perfectly capable of saving you but decided not to, you'd respect their right to do that and essentially end your life? Such negligence is unacceptable. Saving a person who's drowning wouldn't somehow impact your life negatively on a massive scale, so you should do it.
Okay, maybe if the person begs me I might.
A person has to beg you to save their life, as if they're not worth saving otherwise? How depraved.
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Nov 11 2014, 01:49 AM
But what makes people so special?
the fact that we can think about these things and make decisions. we can think about consequences and for the person who's about to die, their friend and family, your own friends and family, the emotions they'll all go through, and so on.

i know the thread's not about murder, but a quote from the film unforgiven with clint eastwood: "it's a hell of a thing killing a man. you take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have"

so knowing the turmoil you would go through if someone you cared about was left to die, why would you willingly let other people go through the same s***?

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Flip the situation around in to a world where nobody cares about each other and then a person saves someone, they'd be "wrong" or "disgusting" then wouldn't they?
So it's fairly meaningless to say what a person "should" do when their perspective in no way has to reflect yours.
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So why "should" you save someone?
Because the majority of people would try?

What kind of reason is that? You either try or you don't, want to or not.
How can you say anyone's decision is the wrong thing to do just because it's not something you would do?
It'd be nice if everyone would think about how not everyone is the same or has to feel the same as they do, before telling them how they "should" live their lives.
i've only just skimmed everyone else's post, but from what i've read it#s not illegal to be neglectful like that, and i dont think anyone has said it should be illegal.

why should we try to save someone? because we can.

want to know why you probably think humans are more bad than good? because of materialistic people who think the way you do
Edited by Buuberries, Nov 11 2014, 04:59 PM.
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@SSJSC i find it quite comical that you're spewing out all this s*** after having made this thread earlier http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8508449/1/?x=20#new
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Nov 9 2014, 01:35 AM
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Nov 9 2014, 12:38 AM
Say your house was on fire and someone was in it and you had the option to save them or your phone/computer/whatever and you picked the latter, besides the morally reprehensible decision you made, is it actually legal to do that?

Other than a few people, I would most definitely save my computer or PlayStation.


I guess it could be considered murder/manslaughter? But if you definitely didn't start the fire and didn't do anything to hinder their survival beyond not help them...can it be said you killed them or would the courts not do anything, besides investigate?
I'm not sure if you're joking or being serious, but if you're not kidding this is actually disgusting! You'd save your friggen playstation before you'd save A LIVING PERSON?!?! What.. The f***.. Is wrong with you?

I'd save my worst enemy before I'd save my playstation! Does human life really mean that little to you? I think you need to reassess your views on life mate, because they're obviously warped to hell!

Even though you'd even say this and I find it utterly wrong and terrifying, I'd still save you before I'd save a hunk of hardware and plastic.
that post is pretty offensive if you know what I am sayin



as for OP It really depends on the circumstances .



EDIT I would save the pc and the people inside that burning house cuz that is how badass i am
Edited by Pointer, Nov 11 2014, 05:09 PM.

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I made a thread a long time ago about if you'd take a bullet for someone, and I pretty much said that I would do so. I would feel uneasy and guilty, to my self, if I didn't help someone, even if helping him would be "seriously dangerous".

Well, unless he's burning and I don't have anything to put off the fire, or he's drowning in a sea storm or something, I would be forced to leave him.
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Of course there are situations where you shouldn't put your own life in danger because the risk is too high. But if you could easily rescue someone and you choose not to, well I don't even think that Hitler was that selfish.


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It is just me or this thread is a bit too offensive...

It is not a power level thread where you can change the other people's view about the topic.

I have read all the 3 pages so far and some comments was hell offensive " you are an a*****"

Dont judge people for their respective views and opinions.
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Nov 11 2014, 06:37 PM
It is just me or this thread is a bit too offensive...

It is not a power level thread where you can change the other people's view about the topic.

I have read all the 3 pages so far and some comments was hell offensive " you are an a*****"

Dont judge people for their respective views and opinions.
This is just straight up comical. These two idiots are actually acting like they are good people when they say they'd leave a person to die because for reason one: a playstation and two: because that someone happened to be a d*** to them.

I can't fathom what kind of f***ed up s*** these two went through to make them this f***ed up. I feel bad for them, they clearly have some issues to iron out.

If they can't take the attacks, then they shouldn't be such a***** about these things next time. No respect or care for people who don't give a s*** about a human life so much that they'd leave them to die for petty reasons that my 11 year old sister would have and a f***ing playstation.
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Nov 11 2014, 10:53 PM
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It is just me or this thread is a bit too offensive...

It is not a power level thread where you can change the other people's view about the topic.

I have read all the 3 pages so far and some comments was hell offensive " you are an a*****"

Dont judge people for their respective views and opinions.
This is just straight up comical. These two idiots are actually acting like they are good people when they say they'd leave a person to die because for reason one: a playstation and two: because that someone happened to be a d*** to them.

I can't fathom what kind of f***ed up s*** these two went through to make them this f***ed up. I feel bad for them, they clearly have some issues to iron out.

If they can't take the attacks, then they shouldn't be such a***** about these things next time. No respect or care for people who don't give a s*** about a human life so much that they'd leave them to die for petty reasons that my 11 year old sister would have and a f***ing playstation.
Man calm down no need for this bulls***

As I have said above it is their opinion you can not change that no matter how much you swear

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Let's tone it down a bit in here, guys. Don't use harsh language at or about each other.

Let's continue the discussion without anymore report-worthy posts.
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Nov 11 2014, 11:02 PM
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It is just me or this thread is a bit too offensive...

It is not a power level thread where you can change the other people's view about the topic.

I have read all the 3 pages so far and some comments was hell offensive " you are an a*****"

Dont judge people for their respective views and opinions.
This is just straight up comical. These two idiots are actually acting like they are good people when they say they'd leave a person to die because for reason one: a playstation and two: because that someone happened to be a d*** to them.

I can't fathom what kind of f***ed up s*** these two went through to make them this f***ed up. I feel bad for them, they clearly have some issues to iron out.

If they can't take the attacks, then they shouldn't be such a***** about these things next time. No respect or care for people who don't give a s*** about a human life so much that they'd leave them to die for petty reasons that my 11 year old sister would have and a f***ing playstation.
Man calm down no need for this bulls***

As I have said above it is their opinion you can not change that no matter how much you swear
With this logic, discussions are there for no reason. It's tough to make anyone's opinion on anything change ever, so what you are saying is we should just never talk about anything debate worthy. Come on, think.
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It is just me or this thread is a bit too offensive...

It is not a power level thread where you can change the other people's view about the topic.

I have read all the 3 pages so far and some comments was hell offensive " you are an a*****"

Dont judge people for their respective views and opinions.
This is just straight up comical. These two idiots are actually acting like they are good people when they say they'd leave a person to die because for reason one: a playstation and two: because that someone happened to be a d*** to them.

I can't fathom what kind of f***ed up s*** these two went through to make them this f***ed up. I feel bad for them, they clearly have some issues to iron out.

If they can't take the attacks, then they shouldn't be such a***** about these things next time. No respect or care for people who don't give a s*** about a human life so much that they'd leave them to die for petty reasons that my 11 year old sister would have and a f***ing playstation.
Man calm down no need for this bulls***

As I have said above it is their opinion you can not change that no matter how much you swear
With this logic, discussions are there for no reason. It's tough to make anyone's opinion on anything change ever, so what you are saying is we should just never talk about anything debate worthy. Come on, think.
I think I prefer Steve now. lol
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Nov 11 2014, 11:44 PM
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Nov 11 2014, 06:37 PM
It is just me or this thread is a bit too offensive...

It is not a power level thread where you can change the other people's view about the topic.

I have read all the 3 pages so far and some comments was hell offensive " you are an a*****"

Dont judge people for their respective views and opinions.
This is just straight up comical. These two idiots are actually acting like they are good people when they say they'd leave a person to die because for reason one: a playstation and two: because that someone happened to be a d*** to them.

I can't fathom what kind of f***ed up s*** these two went through to make them this f***ed up. I feel bad for them, they clearly have some issues to iron out.

If they can't take the attacks, then they shouldn't be such a***** about these things next time. No respect or care for people who don't give a s*** about a human life so much that they'd leave them to die for petty reasons that my 11 year old sister would have and a f***ing playstation.
Man calm down no need for this bulls***

As I have said above it is their opinion you can not change that no matter how much you swear
With this logic, discussions are there for no reason. It's tough to make anyone's opinion on anything change ever, so what you are saying is we should just never talk about anything debate worthy. Come on, think.
I think I prefer Steve now. lol
Too bad he'd let you die to save his playstation. At least I would try to save you ;)
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Okay, let's quit making this personal. No more attacking other members.

I do however agree that it is important to save somewhere where you can do so without too much risk to yourself.

The main reason for this is that you can't judge their importance to society - say you see someone drowning but think he's an ass, and then it turns out that he's a neurosurgeon who is the only one in the city who can perform a certain type of life-saving surgery. Is your split-second judgement of someone worth the potential loss?

Likewise, you save someones life, this does not mean you have to then put up with this person - like everything in your life if it causing you problems solve it, get rid of it. You are not forced to associate with them. However this doesn't mean you shouldn't try to save their life as chances are there are other people who care just as much about them.

And as was pointed out before if you're drowning how would you feel if some guy who you were a dick to in high school comes past and decides you aren't worth saving? Would you be okay with that?
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