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| + Pelador | Nov 6 2014, 12:03 AM Post #1 |
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How long before we stop identifying people as gay, homosexual, bisexual, lesbian, ect and simply refer to them as people? I give it another fifty years tops but society seems to be evolving so quickly these days that it might be much earlier. Remember how Obama said at the start of his administration that he wouldn't do anything about marriage laws? Four years later he flip flops. This isn't just a matter of Obama being spineless, this is just how quickly the culture moves forward now. Look at it like this, if you wanted social change in the Victorian times then it would take decades to happen. Women's sufferage and worker's rights come to mind. Then there's the struggle for civil rights. That took about a hundred years to make any progress. I think that people will always have labels for people who they see as different. That's still part of our nature. But I think the idea of sexual deviance which was what led to terms like gay and lesbian being used for homosexuals is a pretty Victorian idea and it will die out as people eventually stop caring about what gender person you are in a relationship with. |
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| TheACE | Nov 6 2014, 12:53 AM Post #2 |
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You know that actually is a good question Pel. Now are we talking about the labels being a stigma/limitation or just a fact/designation? For example, I self identify as an African-American Hetrosexual Single Male. Does it define who I am? Not necessarily. I have other defining character traits that one may not associate as "Straight" or "Black" so to speak. For example, I've never been to prison, I do not speak ebonics, while I may appreciate watermelon, it is far from my favorite fruit, and I don't have baby-mama drama, I have an ex-wife with whom I share custody of our daughter with. I'm also an avid martial artist, I speak spanish, japanese and french, and find far more value in education and a career path than smoking and drinking with "Da Homies" and "Getting b***s." Which some other men of my decent would define as "White." The rest of us, white, black, asian, aboriginal, or what have you, would likely define that as "Responsible." Same deal with being "Straight" or "Gay" or "Bi" or "Pan" or "A" or whatever. It's only a label if there's a defining characteristic or stereotype with it. Being what I've determined myself to be. a hetrosexual man (Except that one party, but that was college so, you know, things happen in college and that's when we find out what we like and what we don't lol.). By default I should like large trucks, drink beer, and not care much for my physical appearance. While I do think Semis are cool, I don't enjoy pick-up trucks, I'd rather drive a fast agile sports car like my Mustang or my Impala. I do however love beer! And as for physical appearance, I notice it's much easier to pull women when you don't look like a schlub. |
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| lucrowe | Nov 6 2014, 01:17 AM Post #3 |
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There's allot happening at the moment in this regard, actually. For example, in Australia we've started up a campaign in schools that aims at stopping students from saying things like "that's so gay" with powerful messaging and lesson planning around understanding and acceptance of the homosexual+ community. Believe it or not, it's working! I don't have the exact statistics on me at the moment, but in the school I'm working in alone our surveys have shown this campaign to be effective with student numbers over 65%. In primary schools (elementary schools) these numbers are much higher. In only a few years time, these numbers are expected to increase heavily! Since the campaign, more LBGT inclined individuals have started stepping up and coming out and the other students have been very supportive. Some are still sceptical, and that's an issue that people are just going have to live with, but soon I can imagine un-acceptance of the LBGT community will be the minority as opposed to the majority. |
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| + Pelador | Nov 6 2014, 01:21 AM Post #4 |
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Well I meant more in the manner of how the media will announce that someone has recently decided to come out as if it matters. Then there's this thing that follows on from that where people talk about "oh did you know x is gay?" This is what I reckon will disappear. It will be so ordinary that it won't even be worth a story in a low brow tabloid. The only reason one will have to state their sexual preference is when they are being come on to by a gender they aren't interested in sexually. |
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| lucrowe | Nov 6 2014, 01:40 AM Post #5 |
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All in time my friend. Society is ever changing! I can see your vision happening! |
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| + Steve | Nov 6 2014, 12:24 PM Post #6 |
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Yeah I hope the labels don't disappear only the negative air around them. Like it wouldn't be weird for you to say you're bisexual, curious or homosexual at all. Wouldn't like there to not be labels because people still have preferences, I don't like men sexually, in a world without labels where everyone should enjoy being with anyone only hetero or homosexuals would probably be looked down on as homophobic or...heterophobic?(is that even a thing...) It shouldn't class you as a bad person if you find the thought of you having sex with someone of your gender to be weird or disgusting, so long as you're not saying other people shouldn't or anything like that there's nothing wrong with sticking to one orientation and being clear about it. |
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| * Mitas | Nov 6 2014, 12:29 PM Post #7 |
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I think the more that it happens, the less of a 'news' story it becomes and that's when it will die out. 50 years sounds about right. I also think, as morbid and blunt as this sounds, that a lot of it hinges on when the oldest generation dies. The majority of people my age and younger (and perhaps 5-10 years older too) have no problem with people's sexuality, because we've grown up in an era where sexuality has become less of a taboo issue. The people who are maybe 40+ years old were brought up in an era where sexuality was a taboo issue, where to be anything but heterosexual was to be 'wrong' or 'broken'. So their attitudes are influenced by that, yet most people at that age are already set in their ways, so won't change. When our generation becomes the adult generation, the ones in control of the media and society as a whole, that's when the issue of sexuality will become a non-factor. One thing that I don't believe helps the issue of sexuality being categorised and labelled is that many gay people let their sexuality become their personality. Now this is completely understandable: many of them have been forced to suppress this side of themselves, so when they become confident enough to let the world know, they almost overcompensate for it, and they are also still suffering from discrimination and rights issues, which is another reason for them to be loud and proud about their sexuality. However, I believe that it would go a long way to lessening the issue of sexuality labels if people did not let their sexuality become their personality. As someone who doesn't have a problem with gay people, I know people who do in varying degrees, and a common theme amongst those people is "I've known (insert person) for a while and just found out he's gay, he didn't make a song and dance about it" and they are more accepting of that then when the first thing someone says to you upon meeting is "Hi, I'm name and I'm gay" which does happen. |
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Nov 6 2014, 12:38 PM Post #8 |
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Tl;dr. For the rest of the world, 50 years, max. America, 150 - 200 years. Lol. |
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| + Pelador | Nov 6 2014, 01:04 PM Post #9 |
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Not true Groose. America is still a little bit behind of course but they are generally moving forward at a good speed. How many states allow same sex marriage now compared to 15 years ago? Plus there are well known television personalities like Ellen DeGeneres and Anderson Cooper who make it more mainstream. |
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