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Pui Pui v.s. Krillin (Both Prime)
Topic Started: Nov 2 2014, 10:43 PM (3,704 Views)
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I have pui-pui equal to post namek ssj goku

He beats the crap out of krillin

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Nov 6 2014, 09:22 PM
Bibidi didn't create Buu.

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Manga-wise, he did.
Toriyama actually said he didn't.
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''Ah, he's the one who defeated Freeza.'' (That's how he knows about Goku and the others having SSJ)
''I doubt I could beat you, Goku.'' (Assuming he's talking about SSJ Goku, as he doesn't know about the no SSJ rule)
''W-what? How can they be this strong...?'' (Talking about the Base Saiyans in Babidi's ship)

So, what we end up with is;

Base Saiyans (Babidi's ship) > SSJ Goku > Kaioshin

SSJ Goku > Kaioshin is a fact. Now, what matters is what version of Goku Kaioshin saw. Considering he didn't know about Cell, we can assume that, at the very latest, Kaioshin saw SSJ Goku/Vegeta in the Android Saga. What we get is;

Base Goku (Babidi's ship) > SSJ Goku (Android Saga) > Kaioshin > Base Goku (Android Saga)

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''I never...dreamed they were this powerful...'' (Referring to Base Saiyans)
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Nov 7 2014, 12:22 PM
''Ah, he's the one who defeated Freeza.'' (That's how he knows about Goku and the others having SSJ)
''I doubt I could beat you, Goku.'' (Assuming he's talking about SSJ Goku, as he doesn't know about the no SSJ rule)
''W-what? How can they be this strong...?'' (Talking about the Base Saiyans in Babidi's ship)

So, what we end up with is;

Base Saiyans (Babidi's ship) > SSJ Goku > Kaioshin

SSJ Goku > Kaioshin is a fact. Now, what matters is what version of Goku Kaioshin saw. Considering he didn't know about Cell, we can assume that, at the very latest, Kaioshin saw SSJ Goku/Vegeta in the Android Saga. What we get is;

Base Goku (Babidi's ship) > SSJ Goku (Android Saga) > Kaioshin > Base Goku (Android Saga)

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''I never...dreamed they were this powerful...'' (Referring to Base Saiyans)
You might be right mate, I mean it might prove why Kaioshin was afraid of Pui-pui

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Nov 6 2014, 11:12 PM
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Nov 6 2014, 10:48 PM
"They think they're hidden...I count seven in all. We can't use energy from the Lord or Kibito, but...three of them have great potential." - Dabra

"Kill the riffraff and get back in the ship. The other three'll get mad and come after you." - Babidi

"This much energy in one shot...?! That's almost half of what we need!" - Babidi
"Don't worry. The energy of those three in stage one will probably fill it all the way." - Dabra

Dabra can sense Kaioshin and still doesn't object to Pocus going into the field.
Apparently 3 Base Saiyans = SSJ2 Gohan (Tournament) according to Dabura's assessment of power.
Hey, he said 'probably', so we can cut him a little slack. It doesn't even matter if he's wrong about the Saiyans; he's able to sense Kaioshin and is still perfectly fine with sending Pocus to end things in stage one
He can sense Kaioshin? Where's that implied?
Well, when he's 'counting' them, he's sensing them, seeing as he talks about the potential of the Saiyans in the same statement. If he couldn't sense Kaioshin or tell how strong he was, Dabra would've said something. Instead, he writes of Kaioshin as a weakling (rightfully so).
Or Kaioshin is suppressed like everyone else, and Dabura has no way of telling how strong any of them are.
You really think they'd be as confident as they were if they didn't have any idea how strong any of them were?

Either Goku, Gohan and Vegeta can suppress better than Piccolo or Krillin, or Dabra is able to use a different type of sensing that also allows him to sense Kaioshin.
Umm yes, that's kinda what actually happened. They thought they had a grasp of how strong of the Saiyajins were, and look how dead wrong they were.
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Nov 6 2014, 11:12 PM
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Nov 6 2014, 10:48 PM
"They think they're hidden...I count seven in all. We can't use energy from the Lord or Kibito, but...three of them have great potential." - Dabra

"Kill the riffraff and get back in the ship. The other three'll get mad and come after you." - Babidi

"This much energy in one shot...?! That's almost half of what we need!" - Babidi
"Don't worry. The energy of those three in stage one will probably fill it all the way." - Dabra

Dabra can sense Kaioshin and still doesn't object to Pocus going into the field.
Apparently 3 Base Saiyans = SSJ2 Gohan (Tournament) according to Dabura's assessment of power.
Hey, he said 'probably', so we can cut him a little slack. It doesn't even matter if he's wrong about the Saiyans; he's able to sense Kaioshin and is still perfectly fine with sending Pocus to end things in stage one
He can sense Kaioshin? Where's that implied?
Well, when he's 'counting' them, he's sensing them, seeing as he talks about the potential of the Saiyans in the same statement. If he couldn't sense Kaioshin or tell how strong he was, Dabra would've said something. Instead, he writes of Kaioshin as a weakling (rightfully so).
Or Kaioshin is suppressed like everyone else, and Dabura has no way of telling how strong any of them are.
You really think they'd be as confident as they were if they didn't have any idea how strong any of them were?

Either Goku, Gohan and Vegeta can suppress better than Piccolo or Krillin, or Dabra is able to use a different type of sensing that also allows him to sense Kaioshin.
Umm yes, that's kinda what actually happened. They thought they had a grasp of how strong of the Saiyajins were, and look how dead wrong they were.
So they thought Goku had a power level of, say, 1? Or 2? The Z-Senshi were suppressing to the point where they shouldn't be able to be sensed, yet Dabra was able to get some sort of notable reading from them.
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Nov 6 2014, 11:12 PM
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Nov 6 2014, 10:48 PM
"They think they're hidden...I count seven in all. We can't use energy from the Lord or Kibito, but...three of them have great potential." - Dabra

"Kill the riffraff and get back in the ship. The other three'll get mad and come after you." - Babidi

"This much energy in one shot...?! That's almost half of what we need!" - Babidi
"Don't worry. The energy of those three in stage one will probably fill it all the way." - Dabra

Dabra can sense Kaioshin and still doesn't object to Pocus going into the field.
Apparently 3 Base Saiyans = SSJ2 Gohan (Tournament) according to Dabura's assessment of power.
Hey, he said 'probably', so we can cut him a little slack. It doesn't even matter if he's wrong about the Saiyans; he's able to sense Kaioshin and is still perfectly fine with sending Pocus to end things in stage one
He can sense Kaioshin? Where's that implied?
Well, when he's 'counting' them, he's sensing them, seeing as he talks about the potential of the Saiyans in the same statement. If he couldn't sense Kaioshin or tell how strong he was, Dabra would've said something. Instead, he writes of Kaioshin as a weakling (rightfully so).
Or Kaioshin is suppressed like everyone else, and Dabura has no way of telling how strong any of them are.
You really think they'd be as confident as they were if they didn't have any idea how strong any of them were?

Either Goku, Gohan and Vegeta can suppress better than Piccolo or Krillin, or Dabra is able to use a different type of sensing that also allows him to sense Kaioshin.
Umm yes, that's kinda what actually happened. They thought they had a grasp of how strong of the Saiyajins were, and look how dead wrong they were.
So they thought Goku had a power level of, say, 1? Or 2? The Z-Senshi were suppressing to the point where they shouldn't be able to be sensed, yet Dabra was able to get some sort of notable reading from them.
He could tell there was something special about them, but that scene still confirms that he has no idea how strong any of them are. First he thinks Pui Pui has a chance, and when he fails he thinks Yakon has a much greater chance, and yet again he's wrong.
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Bibidi didn't create Buu.

:p
Manga-wise, he did.
Toriyama actually said he didn't.
Toriyama's answer may not make much sense with the manga's content. He did say Babidi was a doppleganger of Bibidi, and that's derpish nonsense.

@THE SNAKE THAT WAS NAKED: The fact that Coyote Shin didn't bother to think maybe, just maybe, Babidi's henchmen weren't all they were cracked up to be, instead of assuming the Saiyans were just that much stronger, is the thing that gets a man like myself.

Then again, with his feats, he should be high Super Saiyan 2 tier. :lol:

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Nov 6 2014, 10:48 PM
"They think they're hidden...I count seven in all. We can't use energy from the Lord or Kibito, but...three of them have great potential." - Dabra

"Kill the riffraff and get back in the ship. The other three'll get mad and come after you." - Babidi

"This much energy in one shot...?! That's almost half of what we need!" - Babidi
"Don't worry. The energy of those three in stage one will probably fill it all the way." - Dabra

Dabra can sense Kaioshin and still doesn't object to Pocus going into the field.
Apparently 3 Base Saiyans = SSJ2 Gohan (Tournament) according to Dabura's assessment of power.
Hey, he said 'probably', so we can cut him a little slack. It doesn't even matter if he's wrong about the Saiyans; he's able to sense Kaioshin and is still perfectly fine with sending Pocus to end things in stage one
He can sense Kaioshin? Where's that implied?
Well, when he's 'counting' them, he's sensing them, seeing as he talks about the potential of the Saiyans in the same statement. If he couldn't sense Kaioshin or tell how strong he was, Dabra would've said something. Instead, he writes of Kaioshin as a weakling (rightfully so).
Or Kaioshin is suppressed like everyone else, and Dabura has no way of telling how strong any of them are.
You really think they'd be as confident as they were if they didn't have any idea how strong any of them were?

Either Goku, Gohan and Vegeta can suppress better than Piccolo or Krillin, or Dabra is able to use a different type of sensing that also allows him to sense Kaioshin.
Umm yes, that's kinda what actually happened. They thought they had a grasp of how strong of the Saiyajins were, and look how dead wrong they were.
So they thought Goku had a power level of, say, 1? Or 2? The Z-Senshi were suppressing to the point where they shouldn't be able to be sensed, yet Dabra was able to get some sort of notable reading from them.
He could tell there was something special about them, but that scene still confirms that he has no idea how strong any of them are. First he thinks Pui Pui has a chance, and when he fails he thinks Yakon has a much greater chance, and yet again he's wrong.
Well, there's no indication that he can't sense Kaioshin,and both Dabra and Babidi treat Kaioshin as a side-attraction, not even factoring Kaioshin in when it comes to battles.

This is Dabra's chain;

Pocus > Saiyans > Kaioshin

This is the actual chain;

Saiyans > Pocus > Kaioshin
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Bibidi didn't create Buu.

:p
Manga-wise, he did.
Toriyama actually said he didn't.
Toriyama's answer may not make much sense with the manga's content. He did say Babidi was a doppleganger of Bibidi, and that's derpish nonsense.
The characters in the manga must have been mistaken. Kaioshin said he was created by Bibidi because Bibidi claimed he did it. Since we didn't see Boo being created, or hell any backstory at all (outside the Anime), retconning Boo's origin is very simple, and just requires us to know Bibidi is a liar, which is more than believable.
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Bibidi said he created Boo?
Or Kaioshin simply saw Boo under Bibidi's control and assumed it was him who created it?
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Why doesn't Babidi know what Boo is supposed to be like? He needs confirmation from Kaioshin.
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Why doesn't Babidi know what Boo is supposed to be like? He needs confirmation from Kaioshin.
Possibly because Babidi never saw Boo in the past. Or stretching it a little, he never saw Boo post-Grand Kaioshin absorption.
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Why doesn't Babidi know what Boo is supposed to be like? He needs confirmation from Kaioshin.
Possibly because Babidi never saw Boo in the past. Or stretching it a little, he never saw Boo post-Grand Kaioshin absorption.
But according to Toriyama he is Bibidi, so he should know exactly what Boo is.
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