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Pui Pui v.s. Krillin (Both Prime)
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Nov 6 2014, 07:00 PM
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Nov 6 2014, 06:42 PM
So, they sent Pui Pui against the group... believing that he would defeat the Saiyans and Kaioshin would just stand there and let him?
Sure, the Saiyans didn't want Kaioshin intervening. That being said though, maybe Dabura is underestimating Kaioshin?
Yea, the Saiyan's didn't want Kaioshin interfering... and that was made clear after their arrival. But before that, Babidi/Dabura left the job of taking care of them to Pui Pui. So, they must have some sort of faith in Pui Pui to be able to take on all 4 of them.
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Nov 6 2014, 06:42 PM
So, they sent Pui Pui against the group... believing that he would defeat the Saiyans and Kaioshin would just stand there and let him?
Sure, the Saiyans didn't want Kaioshin intervening. That being said though, maybe Dabura is underestimating Kaioshin?
Yea, the Saiyan's didn't want Kaioshin interfering... and that was made clear after their arrival. But before that, Babidi/Dabura left the job of taking care of them to Pui Pui. So, they must have some sort of faith in Pui Pui to be able to take on all 4 of them.
Or just the 3 the Saiyans since they knew Kaioshin wouldn't intervene. Even assuming they thought Pui Pui and Yakon could handle Kaioshin, do we have any clear indication that they know how strong he is?
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Nov 6 2014, 06:42 PM
So, they sent Pui Pui against the group... believing that he would defeat the Saiyans and Kaioshin would just stand there and let him?
Sure, the Saiyans didn't want Kaioshin intervening. That being said though, maybe Dabura is underestimating Kaioshin?
Yea, the Saiyan's didn't want Kaioshin interfering... and that was made clear after their arrival. But before that, Babidi/Dabura left the job of taking care of them to Pui Pui. So, they must have some sort of faith in Pui Pui to be able to take on all 4 of them.
Or just the 3 the Saiyans since they knew Kaioshin wouldn't intervene. Even assuming they thought Pui Pui and Yakon could handle Kaioshin, do we have any clear indication that they know how strong he is?
How could they know he wouldn't intervene? They assume he'd simply watch them all die? :x As far as they should know, the group should be coming in with the intent of fighting as a group.

In regard to them knowing Kaioshin's strength... *shrug*. They've obviously interacted before.
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So, they sent Pui Pui against the group... believing that he would defeat the Saiyans and Kaioshin would just stand there and let him?
Sure, the Saiyans didn't want Kaioshin intervening. That being said though, maybe Dabura is underestimating Kaioshin?
Yea, the Saiyan's didn't want Kaioshin interfering... and that was made clear after their arrival. But before that, Babidi/Dabura left the job of taking care of them to Pui Pui. So, they must have some sort of faith in Pui Pui to be able to take on all 4 of them.
Or just the 3 the Saiyans since they knew Kaioshin wouldn't intervene. Even assuming they thought Pui Pui and Yakon could handle Kaioshin, do we have any clear indication that they know how strong he is?
How could they know he wouldn't intervene? They assume he'd simply watch them all die? :x As far as they should know, the group should be coming in with the intent of fighting as a group.

In regard to them knowing Kaioshin's strength... *shrug*. They've obviously interacted before.
He knows by the way they're acting. They are clearly a competitive bunch. Have Kaioshin and Dabura interacted? I don't remember that being implied in the least.
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The way they're acting? They see the Saiyans for 2 seconds (as Kibito is killed) before determining that Pui Pui should be enough and walking off to play with their Buu ball. Within those brief moments, it was determined that once the group entered, Kaioshin would be requested to not interfere and he would agree to it?

Not Kaioshin and Dabura... but Kaioshin and Babidi should have intimate knowledge of each other.
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Considering how wrong Babidi and Dabura were about, well, everything, why should we credit them to know the extent of Kaioshin's abilities?

There's something at work here (lolstupidplot), but clearly they understand the Saiyans are acting on their own if they were stupid enough to go into the ship. Kaioshin wanted nothing to do with it.
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The way they're acting? They see the Saiyans for 2 seconds (as Kibito is killed) before determining that Pui Pui should be enough and walking off to play with their Buu ball. Within those brief moments, it was determined that once the group entered, Kaioshin would be requested to not interfere and he would agree to it?

Not Kaioshin and Dabura... but Kaioshin and Babidi should have intimate knowledge of each other.
Last I checked Dabura expected them to follow based on their drive to fight. It would seem he thinks they are competitive bunch. Not even Babidi has necessarily encountered Kaioshin before. All that was made known is that Babidi knew Kaioshin killed his father.
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The way they're acting? They see the Saiyans for 2 seconds (as Kibito is killed) before determining that Pui Pui should be enough and walking off to play with their Buu ball. Within those brief moments, it was determined that once the group entered, Kaioshin would be requested to not interfere and he would agree to it?

Not Kaioshin and Dabura... but Kaioshin and Babidi should have intimate knowledge of each other.
Last I checked Dabura expected them to follow based on their drive to fight. It would seem he thinks they are competitive bunch. Not even Babidi has necessarily encountered Kaioshin before. All that was made known is that Babidi knew Kaioshin killed his father.
I haven't read it in a while (and don't have access to my copies at the moment) but doesn't Dabura expect them to come because of what he did to Piccolo/Krillin/Kibito? Not because of their competitiveness.

As for Babidi/Kaioshin... aren't they basically each other's nemesis? At the very least, Babidi should know of Kaioshin's abilities/power simply so he isn't done-in like his father? And they obviously recognize each other...
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Pocus dying quickly means nothing, Krillin would have fared just as badly
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If Babidi's magic is in fact greater than Kaioshin's and Kaioshin held SSJ2 Gohan in place, he wouldn't worry despite Dabura. However, he very quickly admits that without Dabura, he's done for.

Methinks Badidi was full of s***.
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The way they're acting? They see the Saiyans for 2 seconds (as Kibito is killed) before determining that Pui Pui should be enough and walking off to play with their Buu ball. Within those brief moments, it was determined that once the group entered, Kaioshin would be requested to not interfere and he would agree to it?

Not Kaioshin and Dabura... but Kaioshin and Babidi should have intimate knowledge of each other.
Last I checked Dabura expected them to follow based on their drive to fight. It would seem he thinks they are competitive bunch. Not even Babidi has necessarily encountered Kaioshin before. All that was made known is that Babidi knew Kaioshin killed his father.
I haven't read it in a while (and don't have access to my copies at the moment) but doesn't Dabura expect them to come because of what he did to Piccolo/Krillin/Kibito? Not because of their competitiveness.

As for Babidi/Kaioshin... aren't they basically each other's nemesis? At the very least, Babidi should know of Kaioshin's abilities/power simply so he isn't done-in like his father? And they obviously recognize each other...
He expects both, last I checked. Not exactly. Bididi was dead, Kaioshin figured he had nothing to worry about until he heard that Bibidi's son was plotting to revive Boo. We really have no reason to believe they encountered each other beforehand. Especially when Dabura says "When we checked this place 300 years ago, there wasn't anyone this strong." This would imply Dabura has been with Babidi a long time, but Kaioshin's only now figuring out Dabura is under Babidi's control. How would Babidi know what Kaioshin is capable of? He just has to know he's stronger than Bidid, which I'm sure isn't asking for much.
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We'd both have to re-read to confirm Dabura's hypothesis regarding their motivations... so let's just put that to the side for now.

To us, 300 years is a long time. To beings who are over 5(?) million years old, it seems like a mere moment. Also, Bibidi was an incredible enough wizard/warlock/madoshi/whatever to create and sealed Buu. He was then defeated by Kaioshin... the weakest of his peers. Surely, if they haven't encountered each other between then and the Z events, Babidi would research his enemy to ensure the same thing didn't happen to him. Surpassing the loser of a battle doesn't make you stronger than the winner of that battle.
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We'd both have to re-read to confirm Dabura's hypothesis regarding their motivations... so let's just put that to the side for now.

To us, 300 years is a long time. To beings who are over 5(?) million years old, it seems like a mere moment. Also, Bibidi was an incredible enough wizard/warlock/madoshi/whatever to create and sealed Buu. He was then defeated by Kaioshin... the weakest of his peers. Surely, if they haven't encountered each other between then and the Z events, Babidi would research his enemy to ensure the same thing didn't happen to him. Surpassing the loser of a battle doesn't make you stronger than the winner of that battle.
But how could he research him?
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Bibidi didn't create Buu.

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Nov 6 2014, 09:21 PM
But how could he research him?
*shrug* Magic? >_>

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Nov 6 2014, 09:22 PM
Bibidi didn't create Buu.

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Manga-wise, he did.
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