SSJ Grade 2 Strain

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SSJ Grade 2 Strain
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SSJ	Nov 4 2014, 03:15 AM Post #31
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Dr. Zoidberg Nov 4 2014, 03:14 AM Super Saiyan Nov 4 2014, 03:13 AM Dr. Zoidberg Nov 4 2014, 03:12 AM Super Saiyan Nov 4 2014, 03:11 AM I stand corrected: Goku: "This... is Cell's full power at last..." When was this? When Cell unleashed his full power vs Gohan. I guess I misunderstood then. Thought you were arguing about it when Goku himself was fighting Cell. I'm agreeing with you now. Goku seemed to predict that Cell had more power. So I don't see any holes in the theory at this moment.



Vertical	Nov 4 2014, 03:23 AM Post #32
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Is your theory enough of a reason for Vegeta/Trunks to not use the form?
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SSJ	Nov 4 2014, 03:26 AM Post #33
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	I'd say so, yes. If they used Grade 2, I could arguably say they would only become equal to the level of Cell. Now against the Juniors they didn't really have the time to transform.



master chun	Nov 4 2014, 03:28 AM Post #34
Posts: 30 Group: Member Member #5,072 Joined: July 28, 2010 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? google	i would say that grade 2 put some strain on stamina and speed but not a lot vegetal ss speed 10 stamina 10 strength 10 ki 10 ssg2 9 9 12 12 ssg2 7 7 15 15 just guessing here grade 3 reminds me of %100 frieza so it burn through ki like crazy grade two is better then ss and has a small weakness but it is strong and dependable



Vertical	Nov 4 2014, 03:28 AM Post #35
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	If Goku had enough time to turn SSJ3 against Buutenks... etc etc Plus, surely they would've whinged about it... "If only I had a chance to transform..."
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SSJ	Nov 4 2014, 03:30 AM Post #36
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Well, SSJ3 is just a regular SSJ transformation. It's just an increase of ki. Grade forms literally force you to bulk yourself up which doesn't happen instantly. As for why they didn't say that... probably because the problem was resolved by Gohan. Gohan stole the show and essentially made them forget about their own failures.



Vertical	Nov 4 2014, 03:32 AM Post #37
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Didn't Trunks transform instantly against Semi-Perfect Cell?
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+ Pyrus	Nov 4 2014, 03:32 AM Post #38
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SSJ	Nov 4 2014, 03:35 AM Post #39
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Rather quickly, yes. https://m.imgur.com/GW6g2ch,8whjlSu,OXbQM9v Although it's different against the Junior's. They flew at the Z fighters extremely quickly, giving literally no time to prepare. All they could do was turn SSJ.



~~CheckMateIzGod~~	Nov 4 2014, 03:38 AM Post #40
Posts: 378 Group: Suspended Member #10,783 Joined: January 26, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dbz and many other show's What Browser do you use? i commute between many browser's Favourite Manga none	The reason why goku chooses the orginal SSJ over ASSJ is because the ASSJ was a little bit slower than the normal SSJ.Yes the ASSJ has got strain like the USSJ but its lesser when compared to USSJ but a little bit more than the SSJ. This is also one of the primary reason Goku opt's for SSJ rather than ASSJ to master.Goku clearly also mentions only about "speed loss" to gohan when he transform's into both the forms. Notice that he only concludes "about bulky muscles" after analysing the 2 forms.Strain was never a problem it could be "negated" for both ASSJ and SSJ, but SSJ had increased base speed a little more compared to ASSJ. In terms of power multiplier SSJ/MSSJ: x50 ASSJ: ×55 USSJ: x70 Cell's Pseudo SSJ: x60 SSJ2 : x100 In terms of speed of multiplier SSJ/MSSJ: base speed + 10 ASSJ : base speed + 8 USSJ: base speed + 5 Cells Pseudo SSJ: base speed + 15 SSJ2 Speed : base speed + 20 In term's of strain MSSJ and Cells Pseudo SSJ<<SSJ <ASSJ <USSJ
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SSJ	Nov 4 2014, 03:39 AM Post #41
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Would you like to prove Grade 2 being slower?



Vertical	Nov 4 2014, 03:40 AM Post #42
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	@CheckMate: SSJ Vegeta ~ Suppressed Semi-Perfect Cell... SSJ Grade 2 Vegeta > Full Power Semi Perfect Cell. If it made him slower, something would've been noted, or noticed.
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SSJ	Nov 4 2014, 03:46 AM Post #43
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Vertical is correct. http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t2042129-ssj-forms-pros-cons/#m37128239



Vertical	Nov 4 2014, 03:50 AM Post #44
Posts: 2,542 Group: Member Member #8,475 Joined: October 27, 2012	Super Saiyan Nov 4 2014, 03:46 AM Vertical is correct. Feel free to implement this as the default signature for anyone using this forum.
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~~CheckMateIzGod~~	Nov 4 2014, 04:07 AM Post #45
Posts: 378 Group: Suspended Member #10,783 Joined: January 26, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dbz and many other show's What Browser do you use? i commute between many browser's Favourite Manga none	Let me make one thing clear.All the training everyone does in DBZ and all the gains which they gain are "added" to the base form. Let's take an example to explain vegetas speed @Andriod Saga (That is Vegeta @ Android 18,19 and 20) Vegeta Base speed : 20 SSJ speed adder: + 10 Vegeta in SSJ : 20 + 10:30 (Current Max speed) Semi Perfect cell speed: 38 (Max speed) @Vegeta Vs Semi perfect cell Vegeta's Base Speed:35 ASSJ speed Adder : +8 Vegeta in ASSJ : 35+8:43 Vegeta in SSJ: 35+10:45 (Current Max Speed) Semi Perfect cell : 38 (Max speed ) (Perfect Cell @ vegeta) speed : 45 (This is Perfect cell's minimum speed) So as you can see from the above example vegeta does appear to have speed advantage in ASSJ but in reality its because his "base speed" had increased.But in terms of speed he could be a little more "faster" then compared to in ASSJ.But Vegeta needed that "power boost/strength boost" which ASSJ offered (x55 for assj and ×50 for ssj). You know there is also a reason why vegeta turns only SSJ and not ASSJ when he is flying towards semi perfect cell. And yes in a fight between a ASSJ User and SSJ/MSSJ user the ASSJ user can be faster than the SSJ/MSSJ user if the ASSJ users base speed is greater than the SSJ/MSSJ users base speed.
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