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| + Steve | Nov 1 2014, 12:12 AM Post #1 |
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So Gai in the 8th Gate vs...who can beat him? Firstly without going to obvious extremes like the Guren Lagan machines who would be on an almost equal level with Gai and be able to beat him outside of Naruto? He totally went Super Saiyan with that 100x boost so what level of power from other series would be needed to take him out in your opinion? I'm not sure what tier but definitely DBZ level, especially going by how ridiculously deep a hole his first punch put Madara down. Actually not even a punch just the air pressure from him punching making actual contact would be insanity. Secondly who could perhaps not beat him but survive long enough for him to die due to the nature of the technique? Discounting people who regenerate. |
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Nov 3 2014, 12:31 AM Post #106 |
 
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Tell that to the planet lvl guys who got ripped apart by someone's fist lol |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Nov 3 2014, 12:32 AM Post #107 |
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Planet level durabilty is evidence, and Gohan ripping apart planet level durability guys is all evidence, both thinks happened, specullation is claiming theories to disprove those things like Ki =|= Physical attacks, when it was stated that those two work as one. Environmental damage could be an answer but not really, just watch Goku vs Frieza and Goku vs Kid Buu the environmental damage is way bigger in the Goku vs Frieza and yet Goku vs Kid Buu is in a complete other leaque. Plus the crater feat is not even that great, Gotenks slapped Super Buu down on earth making a tremendous crater, SSJ3 Goku powers up and the earth is about to go boom and his power is felt in ever dimension even beyond afterlife. Edited by Majin Vegeta, Nov 3 2014, 12:39 AM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Nov 3 2014, 12:32 AM Post #108 |
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So the guy who's throwing around planet-level punches can't even make a crater that's, say, a meter deep? Poor show. |
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| + Emmeth | Nov 3 2014, 12:32 AM Post #109 |
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Holy crap, we are getting nowhere. Can we wrap this up and move on? |
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Nov 3 2014, 12:35 AM Post #110 |
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Does it matter? The flash can 1 shot guys with star lvl durability but do we ever see him make huge craters in the ground? Lol You can cry about environmental damage all you want still doesn't change the fact that people on fiction can destroy beings more durable than planets without destroying the planet every time they swing and miss |
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| + Emmeth | Nov 3 2014, 12:37 AM Post #111 |
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Alright, let me throw this one at you. Say authors don't care about environmental damage... What makes you think they care about non-sense phrases like "planet durability"? |
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| * Yu Narukami | Nov 3 2014, 12:38 AM Post #112 |
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Yes, it does matter, because of what Goku did in BoG. You can conclude that either; A) Environmental Damage is inconsistent, so this entire discussion is pointless B) Environmental Damage is consistent, and what Goku showed was the most he could do at that time Check, can you show me an instance in Z where anyone does something comparable to Asakujaku or Hirudora, both of which are purely Taijutsu? |
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Nov 3 2014, 12:39 AM Post #113 |
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They make quite a bit of statements of saying who can destroy the planet and actually showing someone surviving a planet exploding Edit: still going on with what happened in BOG? Regardless goku never made contact with his planet and no matter how much you w*** Gai to fanfiction lvls he's not a buu saga threat at all lmao Edited by King Kakarot, Nov 3 2014, 12:41 AM.
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| + Emmeth | Nov 3 2014, 12:40 AM Post #114 |
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Did you ever think that AT might not have had "Freeza surviving a planet explosion" in his mind when he wrote and drew the Cell Games portion? |
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| Mihawk | Nov 3 2014, 12:42 AM Post #115 |
 
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You still don't understand what I posted. Ok forget the theory since that just is becoming a buzz word for you now. On one hand you argue that Gohan is destroying someone with "planet level durability" with a punch. However, we know that Goku's punch against Cell didn't destroy a planet when it was dodged. The punches and kicks counting both the low tier and high tier have shown to do nothing near "planet level destruction". Meaning that either Cell Jr doesn't have "planet level durability" or that punches and kicks are more effective than ki blasts against DBZ characters. |
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Nov 3 2014, 12:43 AM Post #116 |
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Well akira mentions cell has freeza cells in his body unless he suddenly thinks Freeza didn't survive a planet exploding because he forgot it still wouldn't change freeza left4dead survived one Edited by King Kakarot, Nov 3 2014, 12:44 AM.
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| + Majin Vegeta | Nov 3 2014, 12:45 AM Post #117 |
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Could be both, what im trying to say in this discussion is that Goku's punches clearly cant bust a planet, but they have the force behind them to hurt and ripped apart fighters who can actually survive a planet exploding, leading to a planetary durability, the reason there is no environmental damage could be either because the punch is focused all of his tremendous strengh to hit a point and then exert its power, or because there punches cannot overcome big radious, even though they hold up such great power behind them, sometimes they cant hold back there power well resulting in some side effects like the BOG instanche or Goku vs Majin Vegeta where mountains are getting crushed by shockwaves. Edited by Majin Vegeta, Nov 3 2014, 12:47 AM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Nov 3 2014, 12:45 AM Post #118 |
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Ah, I forgot when Goku made a huge tiger purely out of air pressure by moving his hands and launched it at Freeza, where it exploded and sent shockwaves across a huge island. Man, Goku's physical strength is amazing. |
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Nov 3 2014, 12:49 AM Post #119 |
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I remember when Gai ripped someone with planet +durability apart with punches man that was some dream |
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| Arkadom | Nov 3 2014, 12:50 AM Post #120 |
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But Zoidberg, that would imply that our friends here are arguing about *gasp* nothing!? Now that's going to hurt their ego. Once again guys, planet level durability is a fan made thing. Nothing in the manga states they are more or equal in durability to a planet. You can beat on a tortoise all you want, they've got a shell but it'll still damn hurt even if their shell is strong than human flesh. If you start punching a planet, it won't feel a thing, but you're going to have one messed up hand. Evidently, a Cell junior is not planetary in durability, just like Gohan's fist would not shatter a planet, definitely not like he shattered those juniors. There's no doubt that DBZ has powerful characters, but there's also no doubt you are massively underestimating Gai's capabilities. His feats in one fight alone showcased more solid evidence for his power than an entire manga did for any of the DBZ characters. Destroy a city? Okay, we have bombs in the living world that do that effortlessly, even we have that power even if it's indirect. Destroy a planet? It probably won't be long (relatively speaking) until we are cracking planets like Darth Vader is our homie and we have a space station people think is a moon. But the people launching those bombs don't have that power themselves, that's a chemical and physical reaction creating the devastation. The fact of the matter is Dragon Ball characters have not got physical strength that any regular human could not achieve through the same amounts of training and circumstances. Their physical strength is augmented by their ki, while in Naruto, they don't use their chakra to amplify their strength, their muscles are actually capable of working to that level/above 10% without any other factor. But then, Gai uses the 8th gate, which boosts that by a factor of 100, and that means his muscles are working at over 100% Gai's strength is not being aided by chakra, that is his actual muscle power being completely unleashed, all of his speed is just his leg muscles being able to release so much power so quickly. That gives him incredible momentum, and momentum is the main factor of force behind moving objects. Without ki, no DBZ character can put enough weight and momentum into a punch to do any more than what anyone else of the same age and body mass would do with a similar punch. But this is not ki restricted, true. That does not change the fact, however, that ki can ONLY affect the impact, it cannot increase the momentum of the blow. More ki=a stronger impact but that can only match Gai, who uses momentum as seen in his fight vs Madara. Granted, if a DBZ character were to use Gai's fighting style and use momentum in their attacks and combined it with ki, they would easily be stronger. However, that, again, is speculation, and was never shown in the series. Gai still wins. Now chill people, really, it's a vs debate, nobody insulted your family, keep it civil and use evidence instead of comebacks and insults, yeah? 
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