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| + Steve | Nov 1 2014, 12:12 AM Post #1 |
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So Gai in the 8th Gate vs...who can beat him? Firstly without going to obvious extremes like the Guren Lagan machines who would be on an almost equal level with Gai and be able to beat him outside of Naruto? He totally went Super Saiyan with that 100x boost so what level of power from other series would be needed to take him out in your opinion? I'm not sure what tier but definitely DBZ level, especially going by how ridiculously deep a hole his first punch put Madara down. Actually not even a punch just the air pressure from him punching making actual contact would be insanity. Secondly who could perhaps not beat him but survive long enough for him to die due to the nature of the technique? Discounting people who regenerate. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 2 2014, 06:16 PM Post #61 |
 
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Most of dbz is estimation. That doesn't mean we're wrong and it doesn't automatically mean the other series wins in vs topics. That's just all we can do because we don't know exactly what they're capable of. How do we even compare their speeds if they don't have any non debatable feats though? You're basically saying, we don't know how fast dbz characters are, so gai is faster. That's not fair. I can try to prove that it's possible for them to be faster than light but not for sure. What if I said that, their combat speed(punching kicking dodging etc.) gains were more in line with the massive destructive power and durability gains? You can say gai is faster and I can say goku is faster and neither of us would be wrong And no I'm not being biased right now. I'll admit right away when I think dbz loses Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Nov 2 2014, 06:42 PM.
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| + Majin Vegeta | Nov 2 2014, 06:20 PM Post #62 |
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No, not really, i accepted many times that the dbz verse loses badly through many debates, im only debating here cause i know they could be better. To be completly honest everything in dbz is estimation when it comes to power, but they do have some speed feats, like Krillin and Chuckie fighting a whole battle in 0.2x seconds, or Gotenks making multiplie curcles around the earth or Buuhan going to Goku and Vegeta. In ay case my point is, that if Gai was truly FTL as you claim how can he still be detectable to the other characters? Of course note that i still havent well read this part of the manga. Does lifting have to with a punch though? Goku at base can barely lift 40 tons, yet his punches hold enough power to deflect planet destroying attacks with ease. Goku vs Frieza was creating shockwaves throughout the entire planet as well, gotenks made a crater the size of almost a city when he threw off Super Buu. Edited by Majin Vegeta, Nov 2 2014, 06:22 PM.
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| + Steve | Nov 2 2014, 08:34 PM Post #63 |
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But that's totally different that's an actual technique in the series which involves kicking multiple times quickly to create a burst of air. Gai is just literally so strong that he pushes so hard against the air it acts as a stepping stone. Not really because there are multiple shots around that area with confirmed mountain ranges the only parts that aren't are the big crater and the water, too rocky to be in the crater. Yeah a blast not strength. In DBZ their blasts do vastly more area damage than their strength. Again no it didn't if you look at that panel it's a few mountains, the trees in the background would have to be hundreds of feet tall for that to be the continent sized area. About speed we know it takes Gohan 30 minutes to get to school at full speed in base, can't remember how far he has to travel but going by fan scaling most people say his base form is MFTL and all that jazz which is clearly wrong. There's no such thing as a "planet destroying" punch in DBZ and even if they have that energy they don't have that weight. If Ki had weight like that energy beams from high tier characters roaring through the atmosphere would just burst the planet they were on. It's unclear what kind of weight Ki has, if it has any at all but it's clearly not that heavy plus most of the time any liftable technique like a ball is floating. Chakra on the other hand can be very very heavy. Edited by Steve, Nov 2 2014, 08:35 PM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 2 2014, 09:15 PM Post #64 |
 
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No you don't understand at all. Even if my theory is wrong it doesn't change the fact that authors, including Toriyama, making their characters more vulnerable to physical punches than blasts. Punches and kicks are fairly weak in DBZ since we see how much damage they can do. We have visual proof of how much damage punches and kicks do in DBZ. There's no denying it, there's only pretend games via scaling. My theory still works even with deflection since you need a certain amount of Ki or PL to actually be able to deflect. They don't use their physical strength but rather their Ki to deflect the blasts the same as when they tank ki attacks. That's why it's harder to tank and deflect when you have lower Ki. |
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Nov 2 2014, 11:15 PM Post #65 |
 
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Punches and kicks are weak in Dbz yet Gohan can rip apart planet + lvl guys with casual punches Stop basing environmental damage as a way to downplay authors don't care much for environmental damage |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 2 2014, 11:17 PM Post #66 |
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@wolf what's the visual proof that their punches are weak? All the scenes that we see them punch or kick the ground and not do much damage are filler. I might be forgetting something but isn't the best we've actually seen them to the environment is goku punching king kais planet?
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| Arkadom | Nov 2 2014, 11:18 PM Post #67 |
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I don't see how fair comes into this, guys. DBZ does NOT have any evidence for the feats, like it or not, that makes it impossible to stack it up. The claims you are making have no evidence to back them up, the evidence only points to levels below Gai's, the only evidence there is leaves them at lower statistics than Gai. As for Goku vs Frieza, that is two powers colliding. Two forces coming into contact causes a reaction in the world around them, but that reaction is the result of both powers being together at once, individually they are only at halves. If Goku vs Frieza causes tremors, individually they probably make about as much physical impact as dropping a shot-put on the ground, a very small seismic reaction that you can only see and hear, but not feel (unless you drop it on your foot of course.) To say something is fair or not in a debate is senseless. A vs topic is about which is superior, whether the evidence for both sides is equal or not doesn't matter, if one side has greater and more consistent and relevant evidence that side will win. I'm not telling you that one side loses for not having evidence, but I'm telling you that having nothing but "estimation" for statistics does not help your side at all. Even if you are going to measure DBZ character's strength just using assumptions, that is all you are doing, you aren't comparing them to Gai at all, just stating unrelated things at different time periods. You need to consider velocity, weight and force when it comes down to attacks, velocity creates a lot of power, Gai has more velocity because he is constantly moving at a very fast rate, and has a lot of momentum in his strikes because of it. DBZ characters' hand to hand are jabs and punches, they don't have much velocity or weight. In that factor, even Luffy wins because of his rubber capabilities giving him the ability to stretch and build such momentum. DBZ characters has basic strength, that's true, but they don't have Gai's combined statistics. DBZ hand to hand combat is very close and confined, normally within arms length of each other. Gai is about moving around and causing lots of quick and hard to track damage, and no character in DBZ has anything like the sharingan, so it's even harder for them to follow him. Essentially, if Gai can win in the speed department then he can win all together. If he lands the first hit and it's the Night Moth, and that's not a very big if, then no character has the resilience to stand up to that, and I can't think of many who have the ability to react to it fast enough to block or dodge it either. Edited by Arkadom, Nov 2 2014, 11:23 PM.
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Nov 2 2014, 11:21 PM Post #68 |
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The fact that Gohan rips apart planet+ lvl guys with his fists s***s on anything Gai has done |
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| * Yu Narukami | Nov 2 2014, 11:24 PM Post #69 |
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I forgot those punches caused absolutely humongous craters. As Vegito said, the best environmental damage we've seen is Kaio's planet. Even if it was a result of shockwaves, you have to conclude that either Goku couldn't control his power of that he decided to not control it for no reason whatsoever and destroy Kaio's planet. |
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| Arkadom | Nov 2 2014, 11:27 PM Post #70 |
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Your argument is that Gohan can rip a person open with his bare hands. The person's power doesn't matter at all in that regard my friend, they could be the farmer with a shotgun or they could be Beerus, they are both about as difficult to rip open as one another. If you have any strength and can rip a person in half then it doesn't matter how strong the other person is, they still have a moral body. And, that does not even touch on Gai, who burrows half a mile into the earth with compressed air alone and rips through mountains and hills with kicks, then there's the fact that he destroyed 47% of Madara's body with one move. That defeats just pulling someone in half, which Sakura or Tsunade could do even without their strength of 100 seals active, and Gai is superior to both of their base forms. There's no doubt that DBZ characters are insanely strong in a lot of ways, but when it comes down to a fist fight I'm certain 8 gates Gai takes it. Edited by Arkadom, Nov 2 2014, 11:28 PM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 2 2014, 11:27 PM Post #71 |
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They're only "plant level" for some types of attacks. They're weaker to others. Authors that don't care about environmental damage make their series weaker by not caring. Either that or they're inconstant. Choosing the inconsistent route makes this entire discussion pointless. It isn't a weapon to use as you're about to.
#18 being thrown to the floor. Going by your scaling she should have gone through the Earth and onto another planet. Spoiler: click to toggle Just randomly opened a chapter in dragon ball for your convenience. Freeza does a full round house kick on Vegeta and it just shifts around a few pebbles on the floor. Now either Vegeta isn't Mr Moon durability where his density is higher than the moon in totality, or physical attacks aren't scaled along with the destructive capability of ki blasts which just about every battle shounen and video game does. |
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Why are you basing things off environmental damage instead of what happens in the actual fight For example Superman fought Darkseid in the kent barn but the most damage they both did was a hoke in the wall So I guess they are pretty weak huh? No authors don't care much for environmental damage And fir the last time goku's SHOCKWAVE of his punch destroyed knowledge king kai's planet Goku never made contact with his planet But like I said before Gohan 1 shotting guys more durable than planets is better than what Gai has ever done Edit:Rofl so ripping apart the farmer with a shotgun and Beerus takes the same power Lol people these days Edited by King Kakarot, Nov 2 2014, 11:33 PM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 2 2014, 11:30 PM Post #73 |
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That's the best we've seen yeah but what else was their to be destroyed? Couldn't his punch have been stronger than that? It's like a gun shooting a bullet through a piece of paper even though it can go through something a lot stronger. @wolf that's one scenario. What about when they kick people through mountains and islands? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Nov 2 2014, 11:32 PM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Nov 2 2014, 11:34 PM Post #74 |
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So, if Goku dodged a punch from Cell, how come there's literally no damage to the environment at all? Not even a pebble five feet away is blown away or anything. Punches don't have the level of power you're suggesting because it's impossible to contain their effects. With ki, you can manipulate and change it, even after you've launched it. With a punch, however, there's no way to actually 'contain' it in the same way. |
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Nov 2 2014, 11:38 PM Post #75 |
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Yet we see Gohan actually destroy guys more durable than planets with his fists Whether you like it or not Gohan ripped apart something more durable than a planet with his fists Again it's better than anything Gai has done |
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