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| + Steve | Nov 1 2014, 12:12 AM Post #1 |
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So Gai in the 8th Gate vs...who can beat him? Firstly without going to obvious extremes like the Guren Lagan machines who would be on an almost equal level with Gai and be able to beat him outside of Naruto? He totally went Super Saiyan with that 100x boost so what level of power from other series would be needed to take him out in your opinion? I'm not sure what tier but definitely DBZ level, especially going by how ridiculously deep a hole his first punch put Madara down. Actually not even a punch just the air pressure from him punching making actual contact would be insanity. Secondly who could perhaps not beat him but survive long enough for him to die due to the nature of the technique? Discounting people who regenerate. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 2 2014, 05:07 PM Post #46 |
 
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I'm not arguing for Boo tier^. BUT, he can live through extreme hits way beyond his capacity because of instant regeneration. |
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| Arkadom | Nov 2 2014, 05:07 PM Post #47 |
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Well yes, actually. He survived being cut in half, impaled multiple times, having all of his vital organs destroyed besides his brain, being burned alive and being crushed by so much compressed air it left a crater at least half a mile deep and it barely broke his stride. Considering he survived all that quite effortlessly, I don't doubt he is as durable if not more than even Buu himself. And Gai destroyed him with one move. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 2 2014, 05:12 PM Post #48 |
 
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That doesn't show durability. That's more resilience. Other than being knocked into the planet. For example, someone being able to walk through multiple planet busting blasts without being scratched. Can madara do that? Other
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| Arkadom | Nov 2 2014, 05:18 PM Post #49 |
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If Masashi Kishimoto is writing it? Sure. If a fan of either series writes it? Depends on their bias. All depends on who is in control. You are comparing durability between two entire separate species of living beings that are in two different universes with very different rules. DBZ durability is through ki, their bodily durability isn't all that great when it comes down to melee combat. The most damage done in a DB fight is never done hand to hand, it's always ki based attacks. For that reason, Madara's durability outshines them. he survives and it does not slow him down in the slightest even when he is missing 47% of his body. In that regard, there is no difference, because he survived something that destroyed his most vital organs, and DB character ever did that, they were either vaporised entirely or avoided an attack. When it comes down to it, Gai is so fast and hard hitting the only way a DB character WOULD be able to land significant damage is to actually destroy the planet he's on and cause him to suffocate in space or be caught in the blast. Most blasts won't matter, Gai moves so fast they would either miss entirely or bounce straight off of him. So arguably yes, Madara could survive multiple planet busting blasts. If he takes them head on and only he receives the blast, he will just keep regenerating, as long as there is any of his living body left he will keep regenerating, not to mention he could use Limbo to intercept the blasts for him, or use his truth seeking spheres to contain the blasts if he didn't take the blast himself, they've certainly proven strong enough and I doubt even a full powered spirit bomb is made from senjutsu, so it's just not going to get through, because it's an energy attack so it does not have the physical power to actually break the sphere. Edited by Arkadom, Nov 2 2014, 05:21 PM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 2 2014, 05:24 PM Post #50 |
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Lol yeah, Madara would just absorb the blasts anyway. |
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| Arkadom | Nov 2 2014, 05:29 PM Post #51 |
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Yet another point I had not considered, Madara has the rinnegan and thus can just absorb any energy based attacks that hit him, that's why only Gai could take him on, because he's a taijutsu master (Madara himself praised Gai as the most masterful taijutsu user to ever exist.) |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 2 2014, 05:32 PM Post #52 |
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First, there's something I don't understand. What's the difference between a small energy blast that has the power in it to destroy the planet, and a punch? It's not like dbz characters punches are THAT much weaker than their blasts to the point where they barely have any force behind them compared to their blasts yet they do more damage. Look at raditz for example. Remember when piccolo met raditz for the first time and blasted him? I can't see raditz taking more damage had piccolo punched him instead. Being able to one shot someone who tanks concentrated planet busting blasts with a punch has to account for SOMETHING right? Secondly, we don't know how fast dbz characters are. For all we know, they could range from hypersonic to way faster than light regardless of whether or not their speed damages the environment Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Nov 2 2014, 05:34 PM.
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| + Majin Vegeta | Nov 2 2014, 05:37 PM Post #53 |
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I think you guys underestimate dbz a lot while overestimating Naruto. First of, there bodly durability is still incredible, and most damage comes for ki based attacks alone? Wasn't SPC got beaten to a pulp by 2 punches from SSJ2 Gohan? Didn't SSJ2 Gohan popped the Cell jr's with a blow? Wasn't Vegeta dropped to his knees by two hits from Frieza and completly crushed? So many other examples for both sides. If you play like this, lets see Frieza now, he gets crushed through multiple islands, eats a spirit bomb capable of blowing up a planet, rechieves a beating from SSJ Goku, takes a KHH to the face, gets cut in half, gets a blast right through his face and making him pop, and still survives the explosion of a planet, how is that? Goku at 23th budokai was pummeled by Piccolo having his heart run out, Vegeta was still fighting with a broken hand against Android 18. Frieza the same guy who tanked a planet exploding in his face with half his body and with barely any ki, got pierched by a sword by a superior fighter overcoming Frieza's insane durability, and SSJ Goku tanked the same hits with a finger... Im still reading the part, but Gai was still visible when moving to the other characters wasn't he? And implying Madara can survive planet busting is rather impossimble to me. Looking more at dbz, Vegeta, Cell and SSJ3 Goku all were able to make the entire planet shake because of there tremendous energy, Goku's power particularly could be sensed in all the universe and in a realm beyond the afterlife or when he was powering at kaioken in namek arc the entire surrounding planets were reacting to his power, Janemba's very existence was warping reality and bending space i doubt he is stronger than Base Gotenks Post who cant even dream of doing that, and Janemba is well weaker than so many dbz characters, SPC can blow up a solar system with a blast, and yet SSJ3 Goku could knock the same blast like nothing with his fist alone. Edited by Majin Vegeta, Nov 2 2014, 05:39 PM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 2 2014, 05:46 PM Post #54 |
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See this is all just your speculation. "Punches should be close to blasts" "they shouldn't be that far apart". All we know for sure is that punches do more damage to the body for some reason. We can speculate all we want but the main reason behind it is because Toriyama like the majority of fighting shounen authors made punches do more internal damage than blasts do. I say it's because punches are in a different realm from ki - the "physical realm". Pretty much what Gohan was referring to when he said his physical strength was increasing when he did his sword training. Punches hurt the physical body while ki blasts go for the ki body. The bottom line is even video games make it so physical hits which do nothing to your surroundings will do more damage than a plasma rife which which can blow up a space ship. That's how authors make their series interesting. And no, the fan scaling will definitely not work for physical punches and kicks. We see clear cut nothing happens on misses and when people's bodies are bashed into the ground. I mean there are craters, but there's no correlation in strength between that and "concentrated planet busting blasts". |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Nov 2 2014, 05:52 PM Post #55 |
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Goku amplifies his physical strengh with ki, watch SSJ Trunks vs SSJ Goku for example, it's just that there punches are overcoming the others ki.
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| Mihawk | Nov 2 2014, 05:55 PM Post #56 |
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How does that change punches doing more damage to the body than ki blasts? |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Nov 2 2014, 05:58 PM Post #57 |
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Because it proves that physical strengh and ki are not differente "realms" rather they are connected together. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 2 2014, 06:00 PM Post #58 |
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That was just my theory explaining it. Taking down my theory wouldn't change anything. And they're definitely connected I don't doubt it. Gohan's PL went up after the training too. Punches just hurt your physical realm while ki hurt your ki realm. That's my theory. |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Nov 2 2014, 06:03 PM Post #59 |
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But can you actually prove this theory works? And let me ask you this, back at the Frieza arc, Frieza was capable of deflecting Vegeta's stated planet busting galick gun with a mere kick in the space, do you think Gai has the power to deflect a beam with enough force to wipe out a planet with ease? |
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| Arkadom | Nov 2 2014, 06:05 PM Post #60 |
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People have a habit of refusing to believe the DBZ verse can lose. It's not a trait I find worth mocking but it gets in the way of vs debates. A lot. DBZ is a fighting manga made purely for thrill and battle, it has little plot and actually have very little explanation for why things work, likely the most complex analogy in the entire series is when Gohan tells Videl about using ki beneath your feet to help you fly. For example, for DBZ characters, I'm seeing a lot of "Their speed is between " which is just estimation, there's nothing factual to back it up besides how quick the animation depicts them moving, and the occasional line of dialogue which states they are moving so fast they cannot be seen. That doesn't put their speed at any particular level, and to be too fast for sight certainly doesn't match them up to Gai, who, I will say again, bent reality because he was moving so quickly. Toriyama never specifically stated anyone's speed and never gave a depiction like Gai had. Bottom line here: If you are saying any character is faster than Gai, you are fabricating facts that have no evidence to back them up and simply estimating. No character actually showed any speed related feats on that level, don't blame me, blame Toriyama for never giving them feats for you to lose. Gai wins in speed, there is no way to argue against that which will ever win in a debate because DBZ has no evidence for speed, it's an explosion and strength based manga, all feats are explosions, that's all they've really got to go on. Now on to strength. Let's keep this simple. Sage mode Naruto uses an army of clones to fight half of the total body size of the Nine Tails, and using just one of his bodies (which, I will add, has it's total power divided amongst all the clones, meaning this is not even his full bodily strength) manages to grab the fox by one of it's tails and swing it over his head. The fox even at full size covers a large amount of the hidden leaf village, in other words, he's huge. Half of him is still considerably huge, Naruto's full height is about the size of the fox's eyeball. Gai's base strength is greater than this, at least. In full 8 gates, that power is multiplied by 100, and his strength between the confining the jinchuriki arc and the Infinite Tsukuyomi arc increases greatly anyway, as Gai is seen shattering large boulders just by springing off of them in the fight vs Tobi. As stated, his strength even without physical contact creates a tunnel about half a mile deep, that is just pushing compressed air. Gai's strength is massive. Probably not on the level of Beerus, SS3 and up Goku or Kid Buu, but still VERY high, arguably the highest in the entire series. Almost everything stated for the DBZ characters has been fan scaling so far, while Gai has quite a lot backing him up here. I get it guys, really, DBZ was my childhood anime too, but nostalgia doesn't beat out facts. |
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