Ssj3vegito96

Nov 1 2014, 08:50 PM

I'm saying later dbz characters have punches stronger than cell's blast. That is not debatable.

POOHEAD189

Nov 1 2014, 09:20 PM

The thing about dbz characters is that they are martial artists. Which means they have a great amount of control, which is why they can both live among normal people and also manipulate their punches/kicks/ki blasts to destroy a smaller area than normal. To make it a "controlled" attack.

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 1 2014, 07:33 PM

And I don't see gai being able to punch hard enough to casually destroy the entire solar system. Gai's hit "almost killed" madara. Can madara withstand solar system level punches now?

Naked Snake

Nov 1 2014, 09:22 PM

POOHEAD189

Nov 1 2014, 09:20 PM

The thing about dbz characters is that they are martial artists. Which means they have a great amount of control, which is why they can both live among normal people and also manipulate their punches/kicks/ki blasts to destroy a smaller area than normal. To make it a "controlled" attack.

Fair point, but why did Goku's punch do that to Kaio's planet? It's quite clear that Goku can't really control his power in SSJ3, so we should assume that he's either showing his max or close to his max.

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 1 2014, 09:55 PM

They have small concentrated energy blasts that have the power in them to destroy planets and they hit each other with them. The nuclear explosion analogy doesn't work because nukes spread their damage. Not all of their power is focused to a point like blasts in dbz. Therefore, we can say that those concentrated blasts, that have enough power in them to destroy the solar system, are weaker than later characters punches.

King kais planet was destroyed by goku's punch. Ok. I don't understand what you're getting at though. How does that disprove their punches being stronger than concentrated blasts when when we constantly see throughout the series that punches can actually be stronger than those blasts? It's not like the entire solar system falls apart or something like that when they throw punches and blasts

We know that in dbz, the damage we see doesn't equate to the actual power of their attacks. You can't always just look at how much damage they've caused and say that's how strong they are. If the damage we saw goku's punch do king Kai's planet is how strong his punch is, then that means ssj3 goku's punches might as well be weaker than piccolo's moon buster in the saiyan saga. Which is ridiculous

King Kakarot

Nov 1 2014, 10:03 PM

First of all how does one quantify warping reality with punches anyways other forums I've searched on Gai's stats don't put him anywhere close to dbz characters let alone the buu saga


Also blowing up a star doesn't make you a solar system buster there is a huge difference between the two

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 1 2014, 09:55 PM

They have small concentrated energy blasts that have the power in them to destroy planets and they hit each other with them. The nuclear explosion analogy doesn't work because nukes spread their damage. Not all of their power is focused to a point like blasts in dbz. Therefore, we can say that those concentrated blasts, that have enough power in them to destroy the solar system, are weaker than later characters punches.

wolffanghameha

Nov 1 2014, 10:21 PM

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 1 2014, 09:55 PM

They have small concentrated energy blasts that have the power in them to destroy planets and they hit each other with them. The nuclear explosion analogy doesn't work because nukes spread their damage. Not all of their power is focused to a point like blasts in dbz. Therefore, we can say that those concentrated blasts, that have enough power in them to destroy the solar system, are weaker than later characters punches.

See now you're playing two different games hoping for the same result. Let's be more specific with your claim: which feat exactly makes them able to punch out solar systems? The reason I'm going into this since the idea that they punch solar systems is heavily contradicted. I'll go through a list of a few different types of scenarios:

1. Goku reflects Vegeta's stated planet buster back at him. Vegeta gets hurt for a bit, but moves out of the way of the KKH.
2. Freeza lives the planet explosion. This would qualify as a non concentrated attack.
3. Vegeta attacks Cell with a blast that would destroy the planet. It does destroy Cell, but he lives because of regeneration.
4. Goku with the same scenario as above.
5. Cell lives a blast that would destroy Earth. It isn't concentrated.
6. Boo lives an attack that would destroy Earth. It isn't concentrated.

Punches do more damage than ki blasts since they're directly on the body. It's similar to a knife that has less force punch but has more impact on your body. The types of attacks are different, so you need less magnitude for each one. Equating all types of attacks to be the same and drawing conclusions from them is really not smart.

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 1 2014, 10:57 PM

wolffanghameha

Nov 1 2014, 10:21 PM

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 1 2014, 09:55 PM

They have small concentrated energy blasts that have the power in them to destroy planets and they hit each other with them. The nuclear explosion analogy doesn't work because nukes spread their damage. Not all of their power is focused to a point like blasts in dbz. Therefore, we can say that those concentrated blasts, that have enough power in them to destroy the solar system, are weaker than later characters punches.

See now you're playing two different games hoping for the same result. Let's be more specific with your claim: which feat exactly makes them able to punch out solar systems? The reason I'm going into this since the idea that they punch solar systems is heavily contradicted. I'll go through a list of a few different types of scenarios:

1. Goku reflects Vegeta's stated planet buster back at him. Vegeta gets hurt for a bit, but moves out of the way of the KKH.
2. Freeza lives the planet explosion. This would qualify as a non concentrated attack.
3. Vegeta attacks Cell with a blast that would destroy the planet. It does destroy Cell, but he lives because of regeneration.
4. Goku with the same scenario as above.
5. Cell lives a blast that would destroy Earth. It isn't concentrated.
6. Boo lives an attack that would destroy Earth. It isn't concentrated.

Punches do more damage than ki blasts since they're directly on the body. It's similar to a knife that has less force punch but has more impact on your body. The types of attacks are different, so you need less magnitude for each one. Equating all types of attacks to be the same and drawing conclusions from them is really not smart.

I don't understand how those scenarios prove me wrong though. What about the piercing ki blasts they have? Those are focused to very small points, yet later punches do more damage. Do you mean as concentrated as I'm saying their ki blasts are, their punches affect even smaller areas?

Sorry I'm studying so I can't really put a lot into this right now haha