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| + Steve | Nov 1 2014, 12:12 AM Post #1 |
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So Gai in the 8th Gate vs...who can beat him? Firstly without going to obvious extremes like the Guren Lagan machines who would be on an almost equal level with Gai and be able to beat him outside of Naruto? He totally went Super Saiyan with that 100x boost so what level of power from other series would be needed to take him out in your opinion? I'm not sure what tier but definitely DBZ level, especially going by how ridiculously deep a hole his first punch put Madara down. Actually not even a punch just the air pressure from him punching making actual contact would be insanity. Secondly who could perhaps not beat him but survive long enough for him to die due to the nature of the technique? Discounting people who regenerate. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 4 2014, 05:49 PM Post #196 |
 
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Even if you can't explain it their punches and kicks aren't stronger than what we've seen in the manga. Fan scaling through ki blasts for the sake of other versus is what's BS. The best we've seen is Gotenks' feat against Boo blowing a whole in the ground with physical strength. Yet we set Tenshihan do the same via ki in the 23rd TB. The entire point of Gotenks throwing Buu through the Earth was to show a new level of physical strength that was never shown in the series beforehand. Not finding an explanation that suits you doesn't change the facts. A lot of authors and video games do it, the only reason you happen to be complaining about this one is because it makes DBZ weaker than you envisioned via scaling. Edited by Mihawk, Nov 4 2014, 06:33 PM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 4 2014, 06:46 PM Post #197 |
 
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Hmm...If we could find something that suggests that they contain the damage their punches and kicks cause, then we could say their punches and kicks are also extremely powerful right? What if we said this. Remember when ssj3 goku kicked the ground in battle of gods while fighting beerus? That did very little damage to the ground. Perhaps he was losing control while fighting beerus because he was clearly getting angry. That would explain why his punch blew a hole through the planet rather than what his kick did. What do you think? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Nov 4 2014, 06:59 PM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 4 2014, 07:01 PM Post #198 |
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The feats that we're using are people throwing/kicking/punching the other to the floor or mountain more than missed punches and kicks so there's no need to hold back unless you really don't want your opponent to get damage. Goku probably didn't want to get his foot jammed in the planet so he held back his kick. I don't really remember the scene to be honest. I've yet to watch the movie properly. Gonna go full HD Bluray this time. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 4 2014, 07:05 PM Post #199 |
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No I mean they can somehow contain the damage caused with ki control like with their blasts. I don't mean holding back the actual strength of their punches. I think ssj3 goku fighting beerus and beerus getting into goku's head not allowing him to efficiently control his punch is a good example of what happens if they don't contain their punches' damage radius. The crater caused by gotenks smacking buu into the ground doesn't count because he made something else he can't control hit the ground. I know it might sound weird but what do you think? Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Nov 4 2014, 07:08 PM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 4 2014, 07:21 PM Post #200 |
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Gonna be blunt here since I know you're smart enough not to take this personally. That makes no sense whatsoever. There's no such thing as containing your punches to do less damage. There's a) holding back b) not holding back. We know that of what Gotenks did to Boo was an attack that would completely obliterate Cell Jr. Yet the effects of it are nothing near "planet level" as constantly claimed. A crater like physical attack as shown by Gotenks is enough to destroy Cell Jr. It's simple as that. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 5 2014, 12:23 AM Post #201 |
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Yeah I understand. I think it sounds weird too. But in a fictional world, why can't they? Their punches are amplified by ki, which they can manipulate however they want. Why can't they focus the ki from their punches on certain points? Not sure how much that helps but I thought it might be worth noting anyway. And I think it was likely just the shockwave from goku's punch that blew a hole in king kais planet. That's what it kind of looks like at least. Especially because we never see his fist actually touch the ground, when we typically see the fist hit the ground when they do hit it in toei's other material Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Nov 5 2014, 12:25 AM.
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| + Steve | Nov 5 2014, 01:32 AM Post #202 |
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Yeah. just because Gotenks might have been for instance as strong as SSj3 Goku in base doesn't mean they'd hit exactly the same, muscles have limits. Fusion likely massively increases the physical strength of a being, which makes sense because we never saw Gohan kick Buu through the planet or anything. Gotenks and Vegito are probably the most physically powerful beings in the whole series due to their muscle strength getting multiplied. I'm sure a punch from Gotenks would annihilate anyone at Super Buu's level with that kind of strength, the whole reason Buu survived is how his body works.
Not really because a fist doesn't have the same penetrative force as bullets or cutting force plus there's no way to prove Buu was strengthening his body to an extreme degree he wasn't prepared for the attack at all he was about to destroy someone he knew couldn't beat him, he's not a smart guy. It's unreasonable to assume Kienzan outright cuts everything, it would be spammed all the time if that were the case. Why not just get virtually anyone to make the version Frieza had? "Oh no, super powerful androids!" "Krillin, take 'em out" "Gotcha" *throws homing Kienzan's, default win* The technique obviously isn't all powerful look at the lengths Cell went to, to beat Gohan if he could have cut him up easily with Kienzan would he not have?(anime scene was filler) Buu's body is just weak to cutting and piercing damage, obviously he can alter his defence somewhat but while unguarded it's not happening. I forget why we're talking about this... Another thing worth noting is that Gai's kick smashed through Madara's Truth Seeking Ball(wiki name) sphere thing with raw strength he didn't require nature energy to do so which means his attack hits way harder than anything else thrown at the ball which IIRC includes Bijuudama's. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 5 2014, 02:26 AM Post #203 |
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I mean even if it was possible with concentrating your punches we still have a ball park range of their punch strength from how much damage it would take to kill Cell Jr. We know that crater like damage that Gotenks did is enough to take those munchkins out and that Gohan's punch against them would do less damage to than what Gotenks did. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 5 2014, 02:53 AM Post #204 |
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Just to clarify. You're saying this right? Let's say ssj3 gotenks had punches potent enough to destroy the solar system. When he hit super buu into the ground and made that crater, buu should've went straight through the planet. Well it kind of implied that gotenks was toying with him. It's not like buu could've fought back since he was turned into a ball Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Nov 5 2014, 02:56 AM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 5 2014, 02:58 AM Post #205 |
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No I'm saying the amount of strength needed to kill Cell Jr is a physical attack as strong as Gotenks' attack against Boo. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 5 2014, 03:06 AM Post #206 |
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Oh yeah. Of course. But if what I just said is wrong(?), then what else is suggesting his punches aren't solar system level? |
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| Sjk8 | Nov 5 2014, 10:45 AM Post #207 |
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Fists do have more penetrative force than a bullet in DB, since it is a fictional world and these are fists from superhuman level beings we are talking about: you could attack all day Dr Gero (a multi-planetary level being) with any kind of bullet you can think of, and he still wouldn't notice you; yet, the hand of 17 passed through his body like it was nothing. Also why should Boo bother about that man with the machine-gun exactly? You said it yourself: he knew that guy couldn't obviously beat him, and furthermore he has godly regeneration, so I honestly don't see how Boo standing still while some dude shoots him with a gun is a proof of Boo's body maximum strength.
Boo's body is soft while unguarded, true. But this still proves nothing since when he fights his body strength it's obviously up to top tier Boo saga characters, and this is what really matters.
And?  Smashing Madara's sphere thing, while impressive in Naruto, tells us nothing by DBZ standards. Also, basically every feat performed by DB characters up to the 23rd Budokai has been done with pure physical strength alone, since, as we know thanks to Goku's training session charts, the real decent Ki mastery begun only with Kami's training. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 5 2014, 03:57 PM Post #208 |
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It suggests that Gohan's punches aren't "planet level" at all since Gotenks did an attack there which is way more than anything SSJ2 Gohan can muster physically. More importantly it shows that if Gai can replicate the damage he can kill Cell Jr. I mean, he might not have the speed or ability to make it past the ki blasts, but he certainly has the physical capability to take one out. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 5 2014, 04:15 PM Post #209 |
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you disagreed with this though(?). So now environmental damage doesn't matter as much meaning gotenks's attack on buu doesn't tell us much. So how do you know gohan's punches aren't planet level and he's not somehow using ki to concentrate his punches? Also, you said gai isn't as fast as gohan. How is that? Not disagreeing or agreeing I just don't know Edited by Ssj3vegito96, Nov 5 2014, 05:30 PM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 5 2014, 06:00 PM Post #210 |
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I'm not sure how else to explain this. Gotenks non "concentrated" feat of making a crater > SSJ2 Gohan's max concentrated punch/kick Therefore, Gohan punches don't destroy planets or solar systems with his punches |
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