wolffanghameha

Nov 3 2014, 08:57 PM

Doesn't matter if it looks like a physical thing. Anyway that was just my theory explaining why they don't pack a lot of damage in their physical attacks but still can hurt theoretically durable characters. You don't have to agree with my theory.

Not agreeing with my explanation doesn't change how it's proven they don't destroy planets or moons with their punches.

Orochimaru

Nov 3 2014, 09:01 PM

Actually your theory was interesting dont get me wrong. And never did i said they can shatter planets or moons with a physical strike, rather they can get through planetary durable characters. Imagine this SSJ3 Goku's strongest punch could say destroy a city for example, and yet he could rip Frieza to pieches the same character who survives the explosion of a planet.

I try to sum things up here so we can conclude something .

Steve

Nov 3 2014, 09:57 PM

The drill analogy works there too.

Cell Jr, the bunker getting hit by a planet explosion, the nuke, would tank it but Gohan's fists, the drill take him out in one swing.

Physical attacks just mostly bypass the "bunker" with that analogy, even though they don't have the same destructive power as blasts they have more focused damage.

As for Goku deflecting Trunks' attacks with concentrated Ki in his finger, that can just be attributed to Goku making his defence higher than Trunks' could penetrate through.
If Goku just stood there he'd have been chopped up.

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 3 2014, 10:03 PM

Steve

Nov 3 2014, 09:57 PM

The drill analogy works there too.

Cell Jr, the bunker getting hit by a planet explosion, the nuke, would tank it but Gohan's fists, the drill take him out in one swing.

Physical attacks just mostly bypass the "bunker" with that analogy, even though they don't have the same destructive power as blasts they have more focused damage.

As for Goku deflecting Trunks' attacks with concentrated Ki in his finger, that can just be attributed to Goku making his defence higher than Trunks' could penetrate through.
If Goku just stood there he'd have been chopped up.

I like that analogy. It makes sense. But a concentrated planet busting kamehameha shouldn't work the same way as a planet's explosion. Should it? They seem completely different. The planet's explosion is huge and spread out so the character isn't withstanding all of it. Right? Now focus all the power of that explosion to a point, and we have a ki blast. That's much more difficult with survive. You can still use the drill and nuke analogy I guess but that's an extreme example to use as an analogy now

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Indeed it is but on the map it's way less than half as big as Australia so obviously the radius is smaller still, impressive blast speed but nothing suggests it being faster than Gai or that Goku dodging it makes him as fast, aim dodging is possible with blasts.
Gai probably can't cover the distance of that blast if it genuinely does cover the area of a "small continent" as fast but in a shorter radius he can definitely move as fast or faster.

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Also Gai bending space does hint actual FTL nothing can go faster than light so far as we know, doing so would bend space I'm sure Kishi put that in to get the point across.
Also he was faster than Madara could comprehend at close range, given how advanced his eye is that also suggests just ridiculous speed.

Ssj3vegito96

Nov 4 2014, 06:55 AM

@steve Yeah I get that. Like how krillin's kienzen cut friezas tail.

But then theirs the special beam cannon piccolo used on raditz. The attack actually had a higher power level than raditz. The attack wasn't weak and didn't only hurt raditz because it was a thin focused beam. That's not the case here like it was for krillin's kienzen on frieza. The beam being a piercing beam was icing on the cake. Could be the same idea with their punches right?

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Kienzan was stated to be capable of cutting through everything IIRC.

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Well, I doubt that.
Actually no it probably is capable of cutting everything but the technique in general is not when Krillin uses it, no way would he kill Cell with it given the chance what would probably happen is what happens in the anime where it just smashes off Cell's neck.
If it could outright cut everything it'd be a far more valued technique no doubt, it was never noted to take all a persons energy or anything.

supersaqer

Nov 4 2014, 09:11 AM

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Well, I doubt that.
Actually no it probably is capable of cutting everything but the technique in general is not when Krillin uses it, no way would he kill Cell with it given the chance what would probably happen is what happens in the anime where it just smashes off Cell's neck.
If it could outright cut everything it'd be a far more valued technique no doubt, it was never noted to take all a persons energy or anything.

Base Goku could cut Gotenks-Boo with it, and the gap between them is like very, very huge.

It was stated to be capable of cutting through everything, and was never contradicted. The anime was wrong about it, no doubt about that.

Anyways, Gai won't pass the 23rd Budokai Tenkaichi. Prove that he's capable of taking down moon level characters, and I'll say he would clear it.

Steve

Nov 4 2014, 11:53 AM

supersaqer

Nov 4 2014, 09:11 AM

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Well, I doubt that.
Actually no it probably is capable of cutting everything but the technique in general is not when Krillin uses it, no way would he kill Cell with it given the chance what would probably happen is what happens in the anime where it just smashes off Cell's neck.
If it could outright cut everything it'd be a far more valued technique no doubt, it was never noted to take all a persons energy or anything.

Base Goku could cut Gotenks-Boo with it, and the gap between them is like very, very huge.

It was stated to be capable of cutting through everything, and was never contradicted. The anime was wrong about it, no doubt about that.

Anyways, Gai won't pass the 23rd Budokai Tenkaichi. Prove that he's capable of taking down moon level characters, and I'll say he would clear it.

That can't qualify as evidence though Buu's body is extremely weak, need I remind you Super Buu also got riddled full of holes by some crappy machine gun.

If it's any kind of piercing or cutting attack it wrecks Buu's body, farmer with a shotgun could probably cut him in half with a Kienzan if he could make one.