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| + Steve | Nov 1 2014, 12:12 AM Post #1 |
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So Gai in the 8th Gate vs...who can beat him? Firstly without going to obvious extremes like the Guren Lagan machines who would be on an almost equal level with Gai and be able to beat him outside of Naruto? He totally went Super Saiyan with that 100x boost so what level of power from other series would be needed to take him out in your opinion? I'm not sure what tier but definitely DBZ level, especially going by how ridiculously deep a hole his first punch put Madara down. Actually not even a punch just the air pressure from him punching making actual contact would be insanity. Secondly who could perhaps not beat him but survive long enough for him to die due to the nature of the technique? Discounting people who regenerate. |
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| + supersaqer | Nov 3 2014, 03:20 PM Post #166 |
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Is that distance stated?[/quote]Yeah, it was stated. But still, jumping kilometers in the air is impressive, and that's by 21st Goku. It is somewhat quantifable. We know it crossed most of the radius of the island. Australia's diameter is several thousands of kilometers. The panel can be from anywhere up till a few seconds. That's still insanely fast. Don't think so  Gai can't be faster than light, that'd make him cross the entire planet before Madara would even realize what happened. I don't think that speed is suggested, unless you want to say that Boo's scream is FTL or something. Gotenks should be pretty close to the speed of light if you think about it. The Spirit Bomb crushed a large chunk of Namek, while Frieza was still trying to catch it and stop it from going down. Have in mind that the Spirit Bomb only hurts Evil beings, and that the sheer weight of it made that. Lifting strength isn't the same as striking strength too. Edited by supersaqer, Nov 3 2014, 03:21 PM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 3 2014, 04:36 PM Post #167 |
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Did madara have to regenerate after withstanding gai's reality warping punches/kicks?
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| Arkadom | Nov 3 2014, 04:44 PM Post #168 |
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He did. As I stated, 47% of his body was entirely destroyed. Not removed, but fully destroyed. That includes the entire upper left side of is body, leaving about 3 inches left of the right side of his torso, parts of his hips, and his right shoulder, just a stump of his neck hanging loose. That's how hard the hit was, and yet Madara had to heal from it (which only took about 5-10 seconds, really, long enough for a short sentence) which completely restored his body and heart, as well as his ribs and all other bones and organs, in just that time. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 3 2014, 04:46 PM Post #169 |
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What about normal madara? Not jinchuuriki form if that's what it's called sorry I don't follow shippuden too much. Like when he's just in his red outfit. How hard can madara punch and kick? Also, is kaguya even more durable and resilient?
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| Arkadom | Nov 3 2014, 05:21 PM Post #170 |
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Depends, are we talking about living Madara or Edo Tensei/zombie Madara? Living Madara is reliant mostly on Ninjutsu more so than taijutsu, however his pain threshold is very high since he: Got stabbed through the arm and simply caught the blade without even flinching. Cut off his own broken arm and replaced it in a breath. Was capable of ripping out his own eye and the eyes of others without causing the eyes themselves any damage and not being affected by having his own eyes removed. Also, after being fully revived, he was able to singlehandedly defeat all 9 tailed beasts without even getting injured aside from one stray hit that only injured his arm without having any eyes at all, no sight whatsoever and could still use all of his powers. He was also capable of absorbing the chakra and energy of anyone he touches if he wishes to do so, absorb any and all energy based attacks (aside from senjutsu) and using all the other rinnegan abilities. He also had access to the World of Trees jutsu, which would spawn roots across the entire world that would ensnare everybody in an impenetrable cocoon and keep them sedated, as well as many other very powerful jutsu. Absorbing the Ten Tails didn't make his durability any higher, he survived Gai thanks to his own senjutsu, not the Ten Tails, it only gave him jinchuriki benefits such as more chakra and more power. As for Edo Tensei Madara, he cannot possibly be killed, even if every molecule of him is destroyed, his particles gather like dust and reform him, the only way to stop him is to seal him away, and even then you'd have to completely restrict him, because he actually broke free from Gaara's sealing pyramid, as well as the One Tails' sealing jutsu which is possibly one of the most powerful in the series besides Chibaku Tensei and the Reaper death seal, before they could seal him. Kaguya is...Debatable, really. She can teleport and shift through multiple dimensions, has access to every single chakra nature, has the Byakugan, Sharingan AND Rinnegan all available to her, has the power of 10 tailed beasts, and has access to a very unique form of attack where she can proper her bones as projectiles that turn any living thing they hit into ashes, even if it doesn't actually puncture the skin. Kaguya never took as much of a beating as Madara did from Gai, though. Edited by Arkadom, Nov 3 2014, 05:22 PM.
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 3 2014, 05:36 PM Post #171 |
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How hard can madara hit? Not as hard as gai right?
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| Arkadom | Nov 3 2014, 05:38 PM Post #172 |
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No, when it comes to physical power and strength I really don't think anyone can rival Gai, not even Tsunade who was previously the strongest in the whole series. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 3 2014, 05:47 PM Post #173 |
 
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He can kick around the Bijuus which are around the size of a mountain. |
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| Android19 | Nov 3 2014, 06:32 PM Post #174 |
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Lol, I can't believe people are taking Gai distorting space with his speed seriously. Just because an author makes something like that happen to stress the power of the character doesn't make him superior to all other characters who don't do that. Super Buu and Gotenk's scream were powerful enough to rip holes in dimensions, does that mean that no other character can be as strong as them if they can't scream holes into dimensions? If another character's scream made him teleport instead of ripping holes in dimension, is he now stronger than Buu or Gotenks since they can't teleport with their screams, or are Buu and Gotenks stronger than him since he can't rip holes in dimensions. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 3 2014, 07:05 PM Post #175 |
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How do we explain them deflecting powerful ki blasts with fists if their punches and kicks aren't that strong compared to their blasts? |
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| Mihawk | Nov 3 2014, 07:30 PM Post #176 |
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I agree with you to some extent. I just believe the fact that he has a feat above DBZ levels gives us a lot of freedom with his placement.
I already posted this before for Orochimaru. It'd be the same as tanking blasts. You use ki for tanking and deflecting ki blasts, and physical strength for punching and kicking (although it is amplified by ki). Also explains why base Goku can't stay afloat with 40 tons on him. |
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| + Ssj3vegito96 | Nov 3 2014, 07:56 PM Post #177 |
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What about frieza being able to withstand a planets explosion? Does that have to do their physical durability like their punches or their durability against ki blasts? |
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| + Steve | Nov 3 2014, 08:26 PM Post #178 |
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Firstly as I said before a planets explosion isn't much compared to the other explosions in the series, just bigger. Not everything was incinerated and contained within a blast radius it was an explosion, all that energy dissipates in seconds or less and Frieza was on the outside of it, so he didn't really tank the full power of a planet exploding and he survived because he has implausible durability. Like how does he even function? Does he have organs or what? :S if so clearly he doesn't need them...
Indeed it is but on the map it's way less than half as big as Australia so obviously the radius is smaller still, impressive blast speed but nothing suggests it being faster than Gai or that Goku dodging it makes him as fast, aim dodging is possible with blasts. Gai probably can't cover the distance of that blast if it genuinely does cover the area of a "small continent" as fast but in a shorter radius he can definitely move as fast or faster. Also Gai bending space does hint actual FTL nothing can go faster than light so far as we know, doing so would bend space I'm sure Kishi put that in to get the point across. Also he was faster than Madara could comprehend at close range, given how advanced his eye is that also suggests just ridiculous speed. |
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| Arkadom | Nov 3 2014, 08:40 PM Post #179 |
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Well, it does. If you are going to base the strength of characters from DBZ based on their feats such as the size of their explosion or the effects on dimensions, then you'd better be ready to accept that characters from other series will be based on similar things. Gai's speed is not comparative to anybody else in Naruto or DBZ. Gai being fast doesn't mean he is superior to everyone over all, it just means he's damn fast and the author actually showed it. There is visual, solid evidence to it, Gai has more speed than anyone else in either series, at least up until Gotenks. However, as I've detailed enough times to King Kakarot (and we saw how pointlessly stubborn he was despite having facts right in front of him) Gai's fighting style actually uses his speed a lot as it is one of the central parts of his attacks. He uses momentum to give his attacks even more power even though his muscles are already working at 100% thanks to the 8th gate. So Gai's speed feats make him strong because he uses his speed as part of his fighting style. You can't just put down a character because he has a solid feat of achievement just because nobody else has been shown to do the same. Just because the author used it for emphasis doesn't mean it was exaggeration. Gai's speed is in manga canon now, and that's just the way it is. We aren't saying that automatically puts him above so many other people, but it's a feat that shows why he is above so many other people. |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Nov 3 2014, 08:48 PM Post #180 |
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Im sorry for still going on with this Wolf, but deflecting the blast through ki is literally a physical thing, he deflects a blast with a fist and yet when he punches the ki is just gone? Physical strengh of the dbz characters truly is not anything impressive as you guys alread pointed out, but this strengh gets amplified tremendously through ki, example is SSJ Trunks cuts Frieza in half, while SSJ Goku amplifies his ki into a single point, his own finger and easily deflects all of Trunks assaults. Its a bit tough to understand how all this is working, Frieza deflects a planet buster and yet the same attack cant hurt somene with planet durability? Seems kinda strange. |
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