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| + Steve | Nov 1 2014, 12:12 AM Post #1 |
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So Gai in the 8th Gate vs...who can beat him? Firstly without going to obvious extremes like the Guren Lagan machines who would be on an almost equal level with Gai and be able to beat him outside of Naruto? He totally went Super Saiyan with that 100x boost so what level of power from other series would be needed to take him out in your opinion? I'm not sure what tier but definitely DBZ level, especially going by how ridiculously deep a hole his first punch put Madara down. Actually not even a punch just the air pressure from him punching making actual contact would be insanity. Secondly who could perhaps not beat him but survive long enough for him to die due to the nature of the technique? Discounting people who regenerate. |
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| Arkadom | Nov 3 2014, 01:37 AM Post #151 |
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Bringing in entirely irrelevant characters from an entirely different format that has nothing to do with either universe is the punch line then...Right? You've paid less attention to each post as it comes because we are all giving evidence and all you have to offer in return are what I'd expect out of snarky teenagers telling each other to grow up because one of them got a better player in FIFA and the other got upset about it. You've given practically nothing besides one decent point you brought up when you first joined this topic. You brought in durability, even though you quickly made that just as pointless by mentioning "planet level durability" that isn't possible even in manga. Imagine each Cell Juniors was actually a planet, if they really have planet level resistance Gohan's arms would have been broken long before they actually were. Planets have far more mass than any living creature. You could attack a rancor from Star Wars, that has more mass than you and much more weight than your fist. Your fist loses. You could punch an ant, which has barely even a fraction of your own mass, and it would be crushed to death before you even actually hit the floor it was standing on. Mass is a relative thing, mass is what gives endurance and resilience, that's why heavier armour = more protection, it has a greater density. No DBZ character has the density of a planet, just like no Naruto character has either. The simple matter of fact is Gai wins if we think about this at all sensibly. More power, more momentum, more speed. More momentum makes mass have a greater effect when it hits something, so even if the mass is less it will do a lot of damage, DBZ characters don't use momentum though. When an asteroid falls and hits the earth, the asteroid is mostly destroyed but so is a lot of the earth in the immediate area. This is because despite having a tiny mass compared the the Earth, gravity pulled it and gave it enough momentum to do serious damage. If an asteroid casually floated along it would just roll off of our atmosphere and carry on through space. Of course it can't, because of gravity. The simple point we are making is momentum + mass = force of movement = power, and DBZ characters just don't have much force in their movements, they just use ki to increase the power on impact, so none of the momentum carries over. It's why kicks tend to do more damage than punches, kicks require a swing, which builds momentum, while a jab with a fist is a straight line and carries little force besides the weight of your fist. Everything below Gotenks in base and above cannot match Gai in hand to hand, that's just the way it is. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Nov 3 2014, 01:37 AM Post #152 |
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Bring on your science lingo, bud, because I want to see why it's so obvious. Also, when Gohan completely let his guard down and took Cell's punch square in the face, are you telling me that Gohan got hit with enough power to destroy a planet and came out of it with a bloody lip? |
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That wasn't the answer ive already won becuase 99.9% of people with knowledge on dbz and naruto know that Gai is s*** tier in db Go to any other forum Gai is weaksuace in db just certain people here tend to w*** him to absurd levels @snake yes Gohan is that durable Edited by King Kakarot, Nov 3 2014, 01:38 AM.
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| Mihawk | Nov 3 2014, 01:39 AM Post #154 |
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum 
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| * Yu Narukami | Nov 3 2014, 01:40 AM Post #155 |
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I think we've about reached the end of this debate. Victory feels sweet. |
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Nov 3 2014, 01:41 AM Post #156 |
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Lol dat low quality bait |
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| + Emmeth | Nov 3 2014, 01:41 AM Post #157 |
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This is your last warning: Behave like a normal person. Your attitude in this thread and generally is unacceptable. |
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Nov 3 2014, 01:44 AM Post #158 |
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Why am I getting a warning not my fault Gai isn't as tough as people here make him out to be Also mods probably shouldn't give our warnings in a match there apart off seems bias imo |
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| Arkadom | Nov 3 2014, 01:47 AM Post #159 |
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I'm sorry, I have to ask, but how much did you actually pay attention to science in school, and did you ever study it in further education? Or, just so I'm actually covering all bases, have you finished school yet? I've studied the three main sciences, chemistry, Biology and Physics for about 9 years, so I know how things work when it comes to durability and mass combined with momentum, essentially, I know my forces. If you are telling me that Cell can crack planets with his hands, then you cannot tell me that Gohan can take a punch of such force to his very much human head and come out with a bloody lip because of his "durability." You can stretch elastic and it goes back to it's shape because of it's particle arrangement and actual durability. You cannot stretch bone and expect it to do the same. The way humans are made, they cannot survive that much force on their bodies. If Cell hit Gohan with that much power his skull would have shattered and his brain would have likely turned to liquid due to the amount of pressure. Nothing about Gohan's actual body makes him more durable than your average human besides the solidity of his muscles, and as much as characters in Dragon Ball tense their faces, no muscle in Gohan's face would become solid enough to absorb the force of a "planet busting" punch. The only extra resistance he has is his own ki, and that ONLY works on other ki based attacks. Which means Cell's actual physical strength is nothing that even I could not achieve if I worked out and trained hard enough. Once again, muscle power is greater than enhanced, energy based punches. No amount of ki will make Cell's arms strong enough to block Gai's kicks, in fact Gai's movement are so fast that he would probably slice them off completely clean if he landed the attack. |
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| + Steve | Nov 3 2014, 01:54 AM Post #160 |
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Whoever suspended him, thanks for not closing the topic. Now anyway is there anyone outside of DBZ who could take Gai on, I heard Toriko characters are pretty strong one guy stopped the planet rotating or something? Not sure how fast they are but guessing their physical strength might be on par(obviously that dudes is greater but other characters) I suppose one thing to discuss would be who can take on his physical strength at equal speeds? |
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| Arkadom | Nov 3 2014, 01:57 AM Post #161 |
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Toriko is a pretty good pick, I have to say, the characters in that are pretty powerful. I dunno, I think if you want to go for taijutsu/melee fighters to match Gai, you might want to look more towards martial arts manga, Like the JoJo's Bizarre manga which is more aimed toward physical combat, Toriko still has quite a lot of blast related attacks. |
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| Mihawk | Nov 3 2014, 02:02 AM Post #162 |
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Gurren lagann characters would destroy him when they start going into space. |
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| Daemon Keido | Nov 3 2014, 02:13 AM Post #163 |
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Gai-sensei at his max against anybody? .....Well I could mention the Warhammer 40K universe of characters to choose from but to be fair, they tend to roflstomp everybody due to how OP they are in their own universe at times. |
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| + supersaqer | Nov 3 2014, 09:09 AM Post #164 |
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But that isn't quantifiable. Kid Goku, back in the 21st TB, could jump several, multiple kilometers in the air. I'm talking about when Goku dodged Piccolo's blast, where it crossed most of the island. They were apparently in the middle, so it traveled less than the radius of the island, in one panel. I know that. There are trees that big, but it doesn't have to be that big to confirm the size of that island. Also it's not continent sized. It's close to the size of a small continent Gohan can't be MFTL in base, that's not possible. That feat is worse than Tao's feat. He said he'd be back in 30 minutes. That means going there, finding Goku, beating him, taking the Dragon Ball, and coming back all in 30 minutes. He was 2,300 kilometers away from Goku. Let me remind you that he didn't know how to fly, he used the pillar. We also have Gotenks flying around the planet a dozen times, taking a nap, then going to Boo, and waited there until his fusion was off. Fusion lasts 30 minutes. So he flew around the globe much less than that time, as he took a nap and then went to Boo. A nap is at least 30 minutes to be honest. He probably flew around the globe in seconds, took a nap for nearly 30 minutes, went to Boo, and then the fusion was off. Chakra can be heavy? Lol, when does it become heavy? |
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| + Steve | Nov 3 2014, 12:39 PM Post #165 |
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Is that distance stated? That's jumping anyway not kicking the air I'm pretty sure Gai could do the same thing just it wouldn't be a good idea to go in one constant direction as he'd have been shot down. Well that isn't quantifiable really. For a start we don't know how much time passes in that panel, how far it actually travelled in the panel. The smallest continent in real life is Australia(and the rest of Oceania) which is 2,968,000 Sq. Miles (7,687,000 Sq. Km) Does it really look anything close to that? Those mountains in the background would have to be just insane as would the trees. Then there's the largest, Asia 17,212,000 Sq. Miles (44,579,000 Sq. Km) And that's just our version of Earth. A continent is just one of the main land masses and in DBZ there's not many big landmasses and the ones that are big are far far bigger than Papaya island http://www.pojo.com/dragonball/Worldguide.shtml (number 2 in C-3 is Papaya island) And I'm pretty sure Toriyama confirmed the dimensions of Earth in DBZ are the same as in the real world, same as how the moon is the same distance away. The word "continent" is just wrongly used there that's all. People sure seem to think anyone and anyone in DBZ is MFTL or FTL. That shows that speed doesn't change that much in the series, not linearly with PL anyway someone millions of times stronger doesn't go millions of times faster but even if they go just 50% faster they'd be unbeatable really. Gotenks' speed is like the most inconsistent thing ever and there's no way to tell how long a nap is for him if they have whole fights in a few seconds so a few seconds of napping could count for a lot. Plus only when it gets to Gotenks is anything close to light speed besides IT shown which puts Gai at Buu Saga as others have said. For him to be bending space with speed suggests FTL. Chakra is very heavy when condensed: 0:55 The same Four Tailed Naruto that made that huge crater they're in with one swing of his arm couldn't lift that Bijuudama and it's like 0.1% the size or even less than a full sized Bijuudama. Gai so far has been the pinnacle of physical strength, definitely way way stronger than Naruto and Sasuke physically despite their boosts there's no way they could do similar damage to Madara with punches and kicks hence why they go for Rasengan/Bijuudama or Chidori etc. |
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