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What if
Tweet Topic Started: Oct 29 2014, 08:06 PM (687 Views)
+ Pointer	Oct 29 2014, 08:06 PM Post #1
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	What if this whole multiplier stuffs are bulls* I mean there has to be a "multiplier" between someones base and ssj form but it shall not be the same for everybody.....And what if it even changes for that certain individual after some training. As Vegeta pointed out: One doesn't predict or calculate power like ours. Edited by Pointer**, Oct 29 2014, 08:07 PM.



+ Majin Vegeta	Oct 29 2014, 08:18 PM Post #2
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Pointer Oct 29 2014, 08:06 PM What if this whole multiplier stuffs are bulls* I mean there has to be a "multiplier" between someones base and ssj form but it shall not be the same for everybody.....And what if it even changes for that certain individual after some training. As Vegeta pointed out: One doesn't predict or calculate power like ours.** To be honest i also dont believe there is a set multiplier, and actually i believe it has to do with plot in an out-universe explanation. However when tring to give an in-universe i think the multiplier might change depending on who is using the form but a multiplier is still there.
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


+ Pointer	Oct 29 2014, 08:24 PM Post #3
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Orochimaru Oct 29 2014, 08:18 PM Pointer Oct 29 2014, 08:06 PM What if this whole multiplier stuffs are bulls* I mean there has to be a "multiplier" between someones base and ssj form but it shall not be the same for everybody.....And what if it even changes for that certain individual after some training. As Vegeta pointed out: One doesn't predict or calculate power like ours.** To be honest i also dont believe there is a set multiplier, and actually i believe it has to do with plot in an out-universe explanation. However when tring to give an in-universe i think the multiplier might change depending on who is using the form but a multiplier is still there. yes but it is not set. Goku might have a 50 increase back on Namek, And only 25 or 10 in the android saga



+ Majin Vegeta	Oct 29 2014, 08:26 PM Post #4
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Yeah thats what i said, there is no set multiplier and changes through the character who uses it or the situation. If that wasnt the case then Base Gotenks pre could never reach SSJ2 tier.
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


~~Professor Gohan~~	Oct 29 2014, 10:42 PM Post #5
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I probably thought like that growing up. Haha.



lazerbem	Oct 29 2014, 11:04 PM Post #6
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Using Vegeta's statement doesn't mean much, here are some other choice quotes from his ego ridden mind "I AM A SUPER SAIYAN!" -Moments before Freeza kicked his a*** "I will win the Cell Games myself" -Moments before being horribly outclassed by MSSJ Goku "You are just a collection of tin bolts" -Before 18 snapped his arm "You stupid, ugly blob" -Moments before Boo literally butt stomped him Of course, this is paraphrasing, and the multiplier argument is a good one...but using Vegeta's quote on it is rather silly
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* Yu Narukami	Oct 29 2014, 11:15 PM Post #7
Izanagi! Posts: 12,330 Group: Retired Staff Member #6,446 Joined: July 3, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None	If there's no static multiplier, then all discussions of power become virtually worthless.



* Ketchup Revenge	Oct 31 2014, 02:52 AM Post #8
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	Pointer Oct 29 2014, 08:06 PM What if this whole multiplier stuffs are bulls* I mean there has to be a "multiplier" between someones base and ssj form but it shall not be the same for everybody.....And what if it even changes for that certain individual after some training. As Vegeta pointed out: One doesn't predict or calculate power like ours. I've been suggesting this for a couple years now, and also used Vegeta's quote about Saiyan power to support it. Super Saiyan is suggested to be born from someone's latent reserve, and we know that everyone has a different amount of reserve. To be honest, there's no canon evidence of there even being a multiplier. Just because Goku's initial increase on Namek was 50x doesn't mean that it is actually 50x, or that it stays that way. I'm a firm believer of someone being able to train in a transformed state, and increase that level independently from their base form. I've always believed that Vegeta's base is stronger than Goku's, due to him training in enhanced gravity so often, but his Super Saiyan form isn't stronger than Goku's. Same with Trunks/Goten, considering that they were roughly the same power during the 25th TB, despite Trunks training in enhanced gravity, and Goten training under regular conditions. @Snake. It wouldn't make it worthless, it would simply make it incalculable. However, it's really not that hard comparing characters to one another, which is what I usually do anyway. Edited by Ketchup Revenge**, Oct 31 2014, 03:02 AM.
	The vengeance is her's for as long as she stands by Him.


+ Kyouks	Oct 31 2014, 04:41 AM Post #9
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Naked Snake Oct 29 2014, 11:15 PM If there's no static multiplier, then all discussions of power become virtually worthless. But why? I thought we always used feats and statements to discuss power.



SSJ	Oct 31 2014, 04:54 AM Post #10
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	SuperSaiyanQ Oct 31 2014, 04:41 AM Naked Snake Oct 29 2014, 11:15 PM If there's no static multiplier, then all discussions of power become virtually worthless. But why? I thought we always used feats and statements to discuss power. I've only heard of feats. What's a statement? By the way I see you unminimized.



+ Kyouks	Oct 31 2014, 05:01 AM Post #11
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	It's still minimized, I accessed this through the active topics thing. I saw "What if" and didn't take note of the section. Now I'm gonna be forced to check back here for Drew's response



SSJ	Oct 31 2014, 05:03 AM Post #12
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	You should minimize once you hit 10k. #proadvice



+ Pyrus	Oct 31 2014, 05:59 AM Post #13
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	The thing that would be impossible to really discuss is the specific gap between characters. We could still get a decent grip on which character is stronger than another going by ~~statementswhatisastatement~~feats. It just wouldn't be as fun. Or would it?
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SSJ	Oct 31 2014, 06:00 AM Post #14
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Exactly. Statements lead to amounts, feats lead to basic power chains.



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