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Oct 30 2014, 07:08 PM Post #61 |
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Are you a woman? I only ask this because it's hard to truly understand the sexism aimed at women when you are not one. It's hard to see a lack of privilege when you have the privilege of being a man. Something that feminists have been addressing more recently is the issue of catcalling, which actually happens to some women every single day. It happens to me frequently. It's a problem, and it scares and humiliates women.
Saying that is just completely ignorant. I hate to be blunt, but it's true. I experience sexism almost daily, and I know that many others do as well. Perhaps you just aren't noticing it because culture has shaped you to not notice or care about it? Or because sexism isn't often aimed at you because you aren't a woman? Here are some things that often happen to me when I'm either at work or walking around town: 1. I get catcalled. 2. Men open doors for me or do other things for me because I am a woman. I don't really have a problem with people being nice or courteous to others, but when it is clear to me that they are doing these things only because I am a woman, I have a problem with it. 3. Men will ask for my number or hit on me at work, which makes me extremely uncomfortable. I am trying to work and am not interested in sexual advances while I am working. 4. Men often make comments about my sex. "You're a woman, so you should be able to do it." "You're a woman, so you shouldn't have to do those things." "You wouldn't understand because you're a woman." Of course, other women make these comments as well, but not as often. (It's sad either way.) 5. I am expected by my family to find a husband who can support me financially because I am a woman. I am also expected by my family to bear children because I am a woman. It's strange to my family that I don't have a boyfriend yet because they don't understand that some women don't need a man in their lives. Those are just a few examples. To say that there is no sexism or that you've never seen anyone be sexist is just plain stupid. I'm sorry. I have no respect for an opinion that is so ignorant, honestly. And I'm sorry if I sound hostile, but I get worked up when people fail to see how sexism affects women. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Oct 30 2014, 07:17 PM.
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| * Mitas | Oct 30 2014, 07:28 PM Post #62 |
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It truly was a Shawshank redemption
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I completely agree with you that saying there is no sexism is just plain ignorant. I just feel the need to comment on one of the examples you gave:
As someone who always opens doors for people, I barely even register who I'm opening the door for. I look behind or in front of me to see if there is a human around who I know is going through the door, and I hold it open. It's actually very arrogant to believe men are doing this just because you are a woman. Can't you just live in a nice world where people hold doors open for you? Because that's how it is. There are real sexist issues that women suffer from, this is not one of them. You don't see men who I hold the door open for going "god, that guy must have found me attractive and wanted to jump in my pants" or "god, that guy must think I'm not strong enough to open the door myself". They just accept it as a nice gesture. It's a pet peeve of mine that in the present day people can't do nice things just to be nice. Whenever I get off the bus and am finished for the day, I always give my Day pass to whoever is standing at the bus stop I get off at, be that a man or a woman. I give it to a guy "oh thanks man". I give it to a woman "oh, I'm actually meeting my boyfriend in town". Really? I didn't ask if you were single, I gave you my bus ticket because I was finished with it and I was being nice. I am all for feminism, I really am, but there are certain times when it creates issues that aren't there, and treating kind acts as sexual advances or insinuations that the woman is not able to do it herself is one of them. Kind acts are just kind acts and the world needs more of them, not less. |
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"Then you've got the chance to do better next time." "Next time?" "Course. Doing better next time. That's what life is." | |
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Oct 30 2014, 07:37 PM Post #63 |
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I completely agree with you. I like it when people do nice things for others, but oftentimes I get comments when they do it. "Ladies first." Or when I try to hold open a door for a man and he takes it from me and says "no, you're a lady. Let me." That's what I'm referring to, and I actually get that quite a bit. Just let me be a good human being, goddammit. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 30 2014, 07:39 PM Post #64 |
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Izanagi!
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Out of curiosity, how is it possible to know that a man is holding the door open for you because you're a woman. Surely the few seconds you spend stepping through the door and passing by him isn't enough for you to reach any kind of conclusion like that. |
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| + Pelador | Oct 30 2014, 07:39 PM Post #65 |
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Crazy Awesome Legend
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To anyone who thinks there isn't that much sexism around today, read this story. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29810908 This kind of thing happens all the time. |
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| * Mitas | Oct 30 2014, 07:39 PM Post #66 |
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Yeah, I don't agree with those sort of comments because that does start to demean and condescend women. Edited by Mitas, Oct 30 2014, 07:40 PM.
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"Then you've got the chance to do better next time." "Next time?" "Course. Doing better next time. That's what life is." | |
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Oct 30 2014, 07:42 PM Post #67 |
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Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Sorry if it seemed some other way. ![]() It actually happens a lot, believe it or not. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 30 2014, 07:42 PM Post #68 |
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Izanagi!
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C'mon. I often say things like that, but after I've already gone to keep the door open. I'll say 'after you, man' If it's a guy. I mean, that comment is completely independent of the action itself. |
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| * Mitas | Oct 30 2014, 07:46 PM Post #69 |
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I guess the problem isn't the actual comment, it's the use of 'ladies' or 'women' in the comment. Saying 'after you' is fine, but saying 'ladies first' is when you start to treat them differently, even if the thought behind it is a nice one. |
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Oct 30 2014, 07:46 PM Post #70 |
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It implies that I need a man to take care of me and enforces the stereotype that women are the weaker sex. It doesn't necessarily "offend" me or anything, but I don't like being told that I can't open a door for a man because of my sex. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 30 2014, 07:48 PM Post #71 |
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Izanagi!
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So, I can hold the door for someone, but if I refer to their gender at all while doing so, I'm inferring that they're somehow incapable of doing it, or something along those lines? |
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Oct 30 2014, 07:49 PM Post #72 |
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Have you not been reading my posts...?
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 30 2014, 07:52 PM Post #73 |
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Izanagi!
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Evidently not. If you could summarise 'em, I'd be very appreciative. |
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Oct 30 2014, 07:53 PM Post #74 |
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 30 2014, 07:55 PM Post #75 |
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Izanagi!
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That actually happens? I've never seen that in my entire life, gotta say. |
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