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Do sexism and racism go hand in hand?
Topic Started: Oct 29 2014, 03:48 PM (3,398 Views)
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Oct 29 2014, 09:58 PM
It makes our society looks at women as sex objects rather than human beings. Men are rarely portrayed in that light. Young minds are obviously molded by media. I don't want to write a long post explaining it, but it's pretty obvious.
That's so far-fetched honestly. Unless a man is a total idiot that's what he will see, but a majority of us do not see women as sex-objects. Just because men want to see women portrayed in sexy ways does not mean we don't respect women or anything of the sort.
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You don't find that a bit contradictory?


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Oct 30 2014, 01:54 AM
You don't find that a bit contradictory?
No. I enjoy seeing women naked, how does that equate to disrespecting women? I sure do not.
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It reinforces a stereotype. You can't deny that those stereotypes are still present. They don't need to be.
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Oct 30 2014, 02:02 AM
It reinforces a stereotype. You can't deny that those stereotypes are still present. They don't need to be.
So ruin the fun for everyone because a small percentage are bad? Seems fair.
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By "end the fun" you mean getting rid of sexism? Mmkay. I definitely plan on making a difference.
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Even if it's a small percentage, it's still a big enough issue that needs attention.
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Oct 30 2014, 01:57 AM
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Oct 30 2014, 01:54 AM
You don't find that a bit contradictory?
No. I enjoy seeing women naked, how does that equate to disrespecting women? I sure do not.
The point is that you're viewing them as objects for your viewing pleasure, and not people or equals. There's nothing really wrong with it if that's what you do, but the fact is that society views it as this, and relentlessly pushes the premise that image means everything; and that nothing else she can bring to the table really matters in that respect.

Any sane woman who respects herself doesn't want to be viewed by men exclusively by how big her tits are or how well she can twerk. Yet everywhere you look, that's all that women are personified by, and it makes most average women feel disrespected and inadequate.
And plenty of times with guys, since they're so used to seeing women in this way, they value a woman by these qualities, and not much more.

If you're a heavy set girl who isn't, by definition, "hot", it's quite difficult to motivate yourself to date guys because your appearance is all that they value about you, because that's how society has taught them to value women.

Girls value guys for appearance as well, but guys are usually valued by girls by their personality, not so much their appearance.

Some of the most prevalent men in society today are not attractive in the slightest, yet most women who are prevalent in society are attractive.

Kim Kardashian for example couldn't argue her way out of a wet paper bag, but she's prevalent because she's considered good looking. That's it. Nothing more.
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Also, I want to clarify that I don't advocate bringing an end to all pornography (which I'm assuming is what you're referring to). Not all pornography portrays women negatively. However, the majority does, and extreme pornography even promotes sexual violence against women among other disturbing things. I don't know why porn creators even think it's a good idea to try and market the extreme stuff. They have to realize that their viewers are either extremely twisted individuals or people who happen to stumble across it or think it's funny for some demented reason.

I agree with Ketchup's post about pornography. It's a male-dominated form of media for sure, and it can be a particularly dangerous one as well. Be careful what you take from it. Seriously.
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Oct 30 2014, 04:48 AM
Also, I want to clarify that I don't advocate bringing an end to all pornography (which I'm assuming is what you're referring to). Not all pornography portrays women negatively. However, the majority does, and extreme pornography even promotes sexual violence against women among other disturbing things. I don't know why porn creators even think it's a good idea to try and market the extreme stuff. They have to realize that their viewers are either extremely twisted individuals or people who happen to stumble across it or think it's funny for some demented reason.

I agree with Ketchup's post about pornography. It's a male-dominated form of media for sure, and it can be a particularly dangerous one as well. Be careful what you take from it. Seriously.
It's actually hazardous to a healthy sexual relationship. A lot of these young men get their "skills" from these porn videos, and to be honest, on a scale of 1-10, sex with these guys is like a 2.

Porn is an unrealistic portrayal of sex, and features acts or positions that no normal person would perform. These chicks are paid good money, no wonder they seem to enjoy having sex in these ridiculous positions.
Men often complain about the double standard of pay for male performers vs female performers, but to be honest, most of these women deserve it because they take a lot of abuse from these male performers.

There's several former female stars that came out recently to make statements about non-big name porn and how they were basically raped on camera. STDs and pregnancies happened to a lot of them before they finally got into the big-biz, which the big-biz companies actually somewhat care about this stuff.

Similar to Action Films being an unrealistic portrayal of physics. It's supposed to be over-the-top for entertainment, but it's not an educational video in the slightest.
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Oct 30 2014, 04:25 AM
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Oct 30 2014, 01:57 AM
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Oct 30 2014, 01:54 AM
You don't find that a bit contradictory?
No. I enjoy seeing women naked, how does that equate to disrespecting women? I sure do not.
The point is that you're viewing them as objects for your viewing pleasure, and not people or equals. There's nothing really wrong with it if that's what you do, but the fact is that society views it as this, and relentlessly pushes the premise that image means everything; and that nothing else she can bring to the table really matters in that respect.

Any sane woman who respects herself doesn't want to be viewed by men exclusively by how big her tits are or how well she can twerk. Yet everywhere you look, that's all that women are personified by, and it makes most average women feel disrespected and inadequate.
And plenty of times with guys, since they're so used to seeing women in this way, they value a woman by these qualities, and not much more.

If you're a heavy set girl who isn't, by definition, "hot", it's quite difficult to motivate yourself to date guys because your appearance is all that they value about you, because that's how society has taught them to value women.

Girls value guys for appearance as well, but guys are usually valued by girls by their personality, not so much their appearance.

Some of the most prevalent men in society today are not attractive in the slightest, yet most women who are prevalent in society are attractive.

Kim Kardashian for example couldn't argue her way out of a wet paper bag, but she's prevalent because she's considered good looking. That's it. Nothing more.
But who cares about who a celebrity is? Does it really bother you that much that no ugly women are celebrity's? I mean really?

And just so you know, again, most men do care about a woman's personality and not what she looks like only. That's just something you guys have labeled men as and it's really not true except for some random idiots.

Also, it really isn't fair to play the "she doesn't have a chance because she's overweight" card. You can't just say that people should just date someone because of their personality even if they find them unattractive. It sucks, but I'm almost sure its been like that throughout history. Can't really do anything to change that.

By the way, I've noticed many girls talking about guys just like you are describing how men do it to women. It's childish to make it sound like a one-sided attack, because it just simply isn't.

Finally, complaining about how women are portrayed in ads is just quite stupid honestly. It's for making money, and I'm sure the women are being reimbursed for their "troubles" nicely. If they really cared about it, they wouldn't do it. Yes, that's possible. As for porn, well that's another debate that I really don't care for, so leave it out when talking to me.
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tl:dr but no. I don't think so. A man can be sexist toward women, and vice versa (ladies aren't innocent, contrary to popular belief) but hold no grudges with other races. Racist ppl aren't necessarily sexist either, so I don't think so. But, sexist, or racist, homophobic etc, I don't get it. It's f***ing dumb.

And about how men view women, and vice versa, I do agree that men tend to care more about appearance, but personality is important as well. I could meet a beautiful chick, and go out with her, but if she is obnoxious, or has a s***ty personality, I wouldn't want to see her again. I think anyone that stays with an a***** just because they're attractive is moronic.
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Oct 30 2014, 01:57 AM
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Oct 30 2014, 01:54 AM
You don't find that a bit contradictory?
No. I enjoy seeing women naked, how does that equate to disrespecting women? I sure do not.

Girls value guys for appearance as well, but guys are usually valued by girls by their personality, not so much their appearance.

Yeah, no. Extremely sexist thing to say.
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If you're a heavy set girl who isn't, by definition, "hot", it's quite difficult to motivate yourself to date guys because your appearance is all that they value about you, because that's how society has taught them to value women.


This is the biggest problem: women think that this is the way it is, that all men only value looks, but rather than men being influenced by the media to think this, it's women who are being influenced by the media. They are being told that men only value looks, so they think that's how it is, when it's just not. Men value personality just as much as looks, especially in longer term relationships. Like Gohan said, if a man is going out with someone who he finds very attractive, but who he dislikes, it's gonna end pretty sharpish. You know how many 'heavy set' girls I see out at night getting attention from guys, or who are in relationships with guys? It happens more than you'd think, but because the media is telling you that being heavy is wrong, you believe that guys feel that way too. Some guys do, just like some girls would dismiss a guy because he's heavy, and that's ok. You don't have to find someone attractive just because you like their personality: that's called a friend.

Of course men value looks, just like women value looks. Are you telling me women are dating men left and right that they find ugly? No they aren't. Men who feel they're ugly have just the same amount of dating issues that women who think they're ugly do. It's down right sexist to think that's not the case, because you're painting men out to be these shallow human beings that most guys just aren't. There are a minority of guys who think the way the media portrays us, probably the same percentage of women who have the same attitude, but with both genders, most people are decent human beings who don't think that way.
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Oct 30 2014, 06:31 AM
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Oct 30 2014, 01:54 AM
You don't find that a bit contradictory?
No. I enjoy seeing women naked, how does that equate to disrespecting women? I sure do not.

Girls value guys for appearance as well, but guys are usually valued by girls by their personality, not so much their appearance.

Yeah, no. Extremely sexist thing to say.
It's a stereotype that is, unfortunately, true. In our society, men are more often valued for their personality and success while women are valued for their looks. This is a fact. It's been this way for hundreds of years.
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