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Do sexism and racism go hand in hand?
Topic Started: Oct 29 2014, 03:48 PM (3,399 Views)
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Oct 29 2014, 09:20 PM
Over time, my grandparents are becoming less bigoted because my parents are becoming less bigoted, and my parents are becoming less bigoted because we (my brother and I) are much less bigoted than they are. If that makes any sense. I'm sure the same will happen when we have children of our own.

I think it will vary family to family, but in a couple more generations I don't think we'll see much racism or homophobia anymore. I actually think the hardest to get rid of will be sexism because our society still enforces it in a lot of ways. The media is becoming more and more culture/sexuality friendly; however, sexism has managed to prevail for centuries and is still very heavy in various forms of media. We still see over-sexualized women in the media, inaccurate portrayals of men and women, and impossible standards for men and women in our society. It hasn't changed much to be honest.

I'm sick and high on medicine for my cold, so I hope I articulated that well enough. :p
What's wrong with over-sexualized women in ads and such?
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It makes our society looks at women as sex objects rather than human beings. Men are rarely portrayed in that light. Young minds are obviously molded by media. I don't want to write a long post explaining it, but it's pretty obvious.
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I think women are still overly sexualised in the media but I think that since the 1970s it's increasingly becoming that way for men too. I was reading an article somewhere about increased cases of anorexia and bulimia in male teenagers which was linked to unattainable standards of beauty in male role models.


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I don't think it's as much beauty for men as it is strength and success.
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It also creates an unattainable image that young girls develop self-esteem and confidence issues over because they're looking at themselves and not seeing the airbrushed models with tonnes of make-up that the media portray, and that same media is telling them that their looks are the most important part of their life, so not seeing themselves as attractive makes them question their worth.

It happens for men too. I've seen multiple adverts and billboards with men with six-packs, or aftershave adverts showing attractive men. This definitely has an impact on men's self-esteem and how they see themselves, but, at least speaking for myself, it doesn't tend to bother me too much. I think the impact is lessened because the media is filled with portrayals of average-looking guys who are funny, or intelligent. or have money, so they get the girl that way. Men are shown to have multiple qualities that can get the girl, whereas women are generally told all they have is looks.
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Which then links to how the media (especially hollywood) portrays strong female characters. According to them it's not enough to be assertive and intelligent. They need a man in their life to protect them. There was a two part program on tv the other week about a female soldier. Of course she has to get involved in a love triangle. You can't have main female characters without some sort of love triangle. Oh yeah and she cried a lot too. It was pretty pathetic of the BBC in my opinion.


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Oct 29 2014, 09:58 PM
It makes our society looks at women as sex objects rather than human beings. Men are rarely portrayed in that light. Young minds are obviously molded by media. I don't want to write a long post explaining it, but it's pretty obvious.
On a related note, that new "Anaconda" Music video from Niki Manaj made me want to puke.
That video is controversial because some people think it objectifies women, while others think that it promotes feminism.

People that say it promotes feminism clearly have no idea what feminism really is.
Feminism is about being respected as an equal to men, not having the unadulterated freedom to behave like a skank.

Shaking your a** in front of a camera does not promote respect from the opposite sex. I'm baffled to where people are getting this idea from.
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Oct 29 2014, 10:48 PM
Which then links to how the media (especially hollywood) portrays strong female characters. According to them it's not enough to be assertive and intelligent. They need a man in their life to protect them. There was a two part program on tv the other week about a female soldier. Of course she has to get involved in a love triangle. You can't have main female characters without some sort of love triangle. Oh yeah and she cried a lot too. It was pretty pathetic of the BBC in my opinion.
While that may be the case most of the time, there are quite a few cases where it doesn't apply. I mean, just look at Bayonetta. It's criticised a lot for being overly-sexual, but that doesn't make the character; she's a strong, sassy character who doesn't need a male character to lean on. Characters like Bayonetta empower a lot of women because, despite the criticism, she's the kind of character that you could argue needs to be seen more. Heck, Persona 4 has quite a few female characters that face their issues and overcome them, becoming strong characters who run on their friends, regardless of their gender. Kanji is there too, which is a huge step in the right direction. Media is usually bad, but there a lots of instances where it isn't.
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Games do it a lot better than films and television. I mean Look at Metroid. Granted they seem to be undermining the character whenever they can now with skimpy outfits and such but the first few games were very forward thinking.

Do we have any real life examples of racists not also being sexists?


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Games do it a lot better than films and television. I mean Look at Metroid. Granted they seem to be undermining the character whenever they can now with skimpy outfits and such but the first few games were very forward thinking.

Do we have any real life examples of racists not also being sexists?
Skimpy outfits aren't really dimishing the character. Putting Samus in some 'skimpy outfits' doesn't take away from the history of the character, her strength, and all her other qualities.

No specific examples come to mind, but that's because people who're well-known either don't reveal whether they hold any opinions like that or put it out in the open and are obviously delusional.
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Oct 29 2014, 07:52 PM
No, I'm racist and I'm not sexist.
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Skimpy outfits do diminish the character because they put sex appeal over personality. They're not necessary for the character or plot. I'm not saying female characters should always be covered. That's equally as sexist as having them wear nothing. But make it dignified. Don't have their breasts sticking out everywhere and their a*** cheeks on show.


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Oct 30 2014, 12:23 AM
Skimpy outfits do diminish the character because they put sex appeal over personality. They're not necessary for the character or plot. I'm not saying female characters should always be covered. That's equally as sexist as having them wear nothing. But make it dignified. Don't have their breasts sticking out everywhere and their a*** cheeks on show.
What about an instance where a well-built male character is wearing nothing but shorts? That doesn't seem to be an issue with anyone at all, but it still falls foul of that principle.
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I agree with you and it relates to what I was saying earlier about how men are becoming increasingly sexualised. I don't think there's anything wrong with being nude or sexy looking but I think sometimes they need to dial it down a bit. I don't want it thrown in my face.


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The porn industry still doesn't see it that way, and is completely one-sided.

Being a straight chick who occasionally enjoys porn, I find that I often have to go into the gay section to get saucy pics of naked guys posing or doing other things.

It's kind of insulting to be honest.
How is a solo chick rubbing her button considered "straight" when a solo guy waxing his carrot considered "gay"? What the heck is that all about, and how is that fair to female viewers?

Straight chicks enjoy porn usually as much as straight guys, but most straight chicks feel cheated when it comes to the content that the porn industry comes out with.

Come to think about it, sometimes race plays into porn as well. All the black male performers are well endowed, this is either a gross exaggeration, or puts more pressure on this race because black males with smaller parts get over-looked.
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