Why werent the ASSJ or USSJ form used during an amp attack

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Why werent the ASSJ or USSJ form used during an amp attack
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+ Pointer	Oct 29 2014, 03:47 PM Post #1
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Where speed has nothing to do and the strain couldnt be a factor I think using ASSj or even USSJ during an amp attack would be quite effective Opinions?



POOHEAD189	Oct 29 2014, 05:03 PM Post #2
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	I used to say it was because MSSJ had a higher multiplier than normal SSJ, but that might be wrong. Maybe during their attack powerups, they didn't have the concentration or time to transform into a different form of SSJ?
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TheACE	Oct 29 2014, 05:09 PM Post #3
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lazerbem	Oct 29 2014, 07:05 PM Post #4
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Their ki isn't well controlled and it takes power to power-up. While it is possible to insta-transform(Goku against Bootenks), I don't think it would be the case for ASSJ or USSJ, both of which, while better in stamina, suck in ki control. DBM using it like Kaioken was taking some very weird liberties
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Oct 29 2014, 07:36 PM Post #5
魔王子 Posts: 9,798 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Maybe SSJFP can't use grade 2 or 3. I mean it used to be called grade 4.
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+ Pointer	Oct 29 2014, 07:37 PM Post #6
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	nah mssj is regular ssj with the same power boost. The only difference is that mssj is like being in base form it has not any drawbacks



+ Majin Vegeta	Oct 29 2014, 07:52 PM Post #7
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	The most simple explanation i can find, is that both forms require time and concentration to achieved, when you are in the middle of a beam struggle you have none of this thinks, leading to not be able to use the forms at beam struggles.
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+ Pointer	Oct 29 2014, 07:57 PM Post #8
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Orochimaru Oct 29 2014, 07:52 PM The most simple explanation i can find, is that both forms require time and concentration to achieved, when you are in the middle of a beam struggle you have none of this thinks, leading to not be able to use the forms at beam struggles. Well Goku transformed to Assj in a fragment of a second



+ Majin Vegeta	Oct 29 2014, 08:13 PM Post #9
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+ Pointer	Oct 29 2014, 08:15 PM Post #10
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	Orochimaru Oct 29 2014, 08:13 PM You believe he could do the trasnformation while having an equal beam struggle on his hands? I sincerely doubt this. No I mean they could transform right before the opponent performs the amp attack Edited by Pointer, Oct 29 2014, 08:15 PM.



Xfing	Oct 29 2014, 10:20 PM Post #11
Posts: 817 Group: Member Member #5,616 Joined: January 11, 2011	I remember asking this question several years ago. The explanation that I received convinced me and made me think what I think now, a rather unpopular opinion around these forums. That is: you can't transform into Grade 2 or 3 any longer when you're MSSj.. There are two possible reasons: 1) You are physically unable to because MSSj is another way of reaching that same power and replaces those forms 2) You could transform, but MSSj gives you the same power anyway without the need to access these forms. In other words, you'd be weaker as a Grade 2 than as a MSSj powered up to the max, so there's no point. To support this we can take the quotes from both Goku and Gohan as well as assess the whole situation during the Cell Games. While Gohan was unimpressed by Goku's showing, Goku admitted that he had given it his absolute all in the fight against Cell. Which means transforming further to achieve more power was impossible. Many people interpret it as him not transforming "because it wouldn't have helped in the long run", but I personally think that's just rationalization - DB is a powerlevel based manga, fights are in every single case turned around by nothing else than a difference of power. So had Goku been able to transform, he quite likely would have done it for just an instant , if only to catch Cell off guard and finish him quickly. So I think he couldn't. MSSj replaces Grade 2 and 3 and offers the same power s 3 without the drawbacks. Beyond is only SSj2.



* Ketchup Revenge	Oct 29 2014, 10:32 PM Post #12
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+ Majin Vegeta	Oct 29 2014, 10:50 PM Post #13
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Pointer Oct 29 2014, 08:15 PM Orochimaru Oct 29 2014, 08:13 PM You believe he could do the trasnformation while having an equal beam struggle on his hands? I sincerely doubt this. No I mean they could transform right before the opponent performs the amp attack That could be the case, but there is a high risk at doing that, what if they werent able to transform in time and just get blasted? Think of it the same way Goku didnt stop Kid Buu's planet buster, perhaps they prefer to play it safer.
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