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What if hypothetical buu arc gogeta is equal to vegito
Topic Started: Oct 29 2014, 02:03 PM (1,777 Views)
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I mean the kids made small gains individually whilst they made enormous in fusion.

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The gap between the kids and the adults shall not be used as a gap between gotenks and gogeta.


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Yeah, logically Gotenks should be massively ahead of Gogeta. There's implication that the kids aren't too far off from the adults, though by not far off I mean, less than 10x so you can still make the gap significant. Gotenks was all but explicitly stated to have surpassed his SSJ form in Pre. SSj3 Gogeta shouldn't' even becoming near SSJ post Gotenks unless you use a small SSJ multiplier.

But that's not the case, Gogeta is apparently strong enough to defeat Super Boo and Goku's confident in this.

I honestly believe that what happened was that, AT never envisioned the idea of how the Pre and Post-ROSAT fusion would compare to Gogeta. He just looked at Gotenks overall and then Gogeta (Or the fusion of Goku and Vegeta) and though. Hey if the kids can potentially beat super Boo, than the adults who are stronger than them should be able to do it as well.
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I was meant to say Hypothetical Gogeta would still be miles ahead of gotensk As Goku and Vegeta's strength are way above post rosat kids' strength unless you say the participants' power does not have anything to do with the fusion's power

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"I am the bone of my sword."

Even if the adults are extremely significant above the kids and the manga doesn't even imply that. That wouldn't be the same for the fusions.

For example you would think that whatever the gap Goku/Vegeta has over Goten/Trunks, that would more or less be the gap between Gotenks and Gogeta. It's treated like fusion is a set multiplier, Goku's confident in these fusions, Boo's confident in these fusions. Its never treated like some people give larger bonuses than others unless its directly stated, like the rivalry boost.

So when Gotenks has increased in power after the ROSAT, that gap between him and the fusion of Goku and Vegeta should've lowered, logically at least. But the way the manga seems to put. There was for some unexplained reason a huge gap between Gogeta and Pre-Gotenks.
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Oct 29 2014, 02:24 PM
Even if the adults are extremely significant above the kids and the manga doesn't even imply that. That wouldn't be the same for the fusions.

For example you would think that whatever the gap Goku/Vegeta has over Goten/Trunks, that would more or less be the gap between Gotenks and Gogeta. It's treated like fusion is a set multiplier, Goku's confident in these fusions, Boo's confident in these fusions. Its never treated like some people give larger bonuses than others unless its directly stated, like the rivalry boost.

So when Gotenks has increased in power after the ROSAT, that gap between him and the fusion of Goku and Vegeta should've lowered, logically at least. But the way the manga seems to put. There was for some unexplained reason a huge gap between Gogeta and Pre-Gotenks.
How would you explain the kids' small gain and post gotenks huge gain then.

The adults are way above the kids thus pre trained gogeta shall also be way above Gotenks even post rosat

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You could argue that Gogeta would be stronger because he knew about the intricacies of the fusion technique and was an expert in no control, while Goten and Trunks weren't as skilled.
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Oct 29 2014, 02:28 PM
You could argue that Gogeta would be stronger because he knew about the intricacies of the fusion technique and was an expert in no control, while Goten and Trunks weren't as skilled.
That would make Gogeta = Vegito
But if that is true ....Janemba is on a whole another level which might explain the Janemba >Hirudegarn thing or might not
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Frankly I don't see why Gogeta and Vegetto fundamentally wouldn't be the same. It's the same components, so it likely should've the same product.
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Oct 29 2014, 02:45 PM
Frankly I don't see why Gogeta and Vegetto fundamentally wouldn't be the same. It's the same components, so it likely should've the same product.
Because it's stated that one is weaker than the other.
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Oct 29 2014, 02:30 PM
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Oct 29 2014, 02:28 PM
You could argue that Gogeta would be stronger because he knew about the intricacies of the fusion technique and was an expert in no control, while Goten and Trunks weren't as skilled.
That would make Gogeta = Vegito
But if that is true ....Janemba is on a whole another level which might explain the Janemba >Hirudegarn thing or might not
Not really. All we know is that SSJ3 Gogeta is > Bootenks. A Gotenks who has trained and 'mastered' fusion is just over 50% of Bootenks. The gap doesn't need to be much bigger than 2x, and that gap fits quite nicely between the kids and Goku.

Goku : 100
Vegeta (Pre-Majin) : 80
Teen Gohan : 55
Trunks / Goten : 45

SSJ3 Gogeta : 100
Bootenks : 85
SSJ3 Gotenks : 45
Evil Boo : 40

Goku/Gogeta wouldn't need to master fusion because he's already knows all about it, plus he an Vegta are experts in ki control. Goku's estimations imply a static fusion boost when both people know what they're doing.
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Just imagine if Gogeta had appeared when Goku wanted him to initially. He would've eradicated Fat Boo with his aura alone.
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Oct 29 2014, 02:54 PM
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Oct 29 2014, 02:45 PM
Frankly I don't see why Gogeta and Vegetto fundamentally wouldn't be the same. It's the same components, so it likely should've the same product.
Because it's stated that one is weaker than the other.
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Oct 29 2014, 03:12 PM
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Oct 29 2014, 02:54 PM
TheACE
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Frankly I don't see why Gogeta and Vegetto fundamentally wouldn't be the same. It's the same components, so it likely should've the same product.
Because it's stated that one is weaker than the other.
Quote much?
Shouldn't you be asking for feats instead?

Jokes.

http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8451235&t=27068
http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8546178&t=8379002
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Oct 29 2014, 02:45 PM
Frankly I don't see why Gogeta and Vegetto fundamentally wouldn't be the same. It's the same components, so it likely should've the same product.
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To use them, the two people who will merge simply have to each take one of the two earrings and put in on their left or right ear, respectively. Furthermore, after merging the power is greater than with Fusion.
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Oct 29 2014, 03:12 PM
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Oct 29 2014, 02:54 PM
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Frankly I don't see why Gogeta and Vegetto fundamentally wouldn't be the same. It's the same components, so it likely should've the same product.
Because it's stated that one is weaker than the other.
Quote much?
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8402385/1/

This is Gogeta's placement. When you figure out where his power ranks, you'll see he's weaker.
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