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Orochimaru vs Sasori
Topic Started: Oct 28 2014, 11:24 AM (2,554 Views)
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Scenario 1: Orochimaru FP, no Edo Tensei.
Scenario 2: Orochimarru FP, with Imperfect Edo Tensei.
Scenario 3: Orochimaru FP, with perfected Edo Tensei.

-Sasori is also at his best, using all of his teckniques and going for the kill
-Orochimaru doesnt play games, fighting seriously.

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The thing is I don't think he's immune to specific poison he's researched, I think his body has developed antibodies to the point even new poison wouldn't work.

Genjutsu doesn't work on Sasori since he doesn't have a brain, making him a perfect opponent for Itachi/other Uchiha.

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Oct 28 2014, 09:56 PM
Doesn't Sasori constantly change the properties of his poison though? Even if Oro was immune at one point I doubt he'd consistently be up to date with everything Sasori adjusts with his poison.

Anyway I think it should be a lolstomp without Edo, 50/50 with Imperfect and a stomp for Oro with Perfect, assuming he has any Hokage to use.


I think Sasori could beat him in scenario 2 but the main reason I say 50/50 is the Darkness Genjutsu, hard to see how Sasori would handle that really.

Even if Oro knows about Sasori's heart he can still shoot it in to any one of the 100 puppets.
Plus the Kazekage, totally forgot about him to be honest Oro doesn't really have anything to counter that with besides the Hokage.
And with the Hokage as Imperfect Edo's I'm sure he could probably just lock them in an iron box or leave them pinned to the floor.
Well since Katsuyu uses acid and not poisson im inclined to say Oro has defense against all types of poisson, the only statement which went against his immunity was Katsuyu.

Why would Sasori lolstomp Oro at Full Power? I dont remember if its truly cannon, but a playful Oro was more than enough to handle Sasori, and that wasnt even his prime.

100 puppets gets countered by the 1.000 snake jutsu, and iron sand was dodgeable to Sakura, Oro could easily stay out of its way or use tripple rashomon.
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The 1000 snake jutsu wouldn't be that great really the puppets should slash them up easily. Plus being stabbed wouldn't do much to the puppets they'd beed to be stabbed or have their threads cut for them to become unsuable. Plus the Kazekagr could probably take them out using spikes of iron.


I don't think it really makes sense for Oro to be immune to all poisons though such a thing is a bit hard to determine. He most likely researches every poison and finds a way to become immune to them his body shouldn't just be able to become immine to poisons it's never been met with before.
He'd definitely be resistant to it but completely immune? Doubtful.
Maybe he'd be saved by his cloning technique though since it seems like he makes a new body, but it uses a lot of chakra so he couldn't escape with that forever.
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I might be wrong about this but what's so special about Sasori? He was beaten by Sakura (with help of course) who was still below Kakashi, the same guy who wet himself at the sight of Orochimaru.
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Granny Chiyo is on the Ninja Council, and she fought harder than the Kazekage Gaara, putting her in that Kage Zone. Sakura is far beyond Chunin level. Probably not quite Kage level, but something like Jounin class in skill. So fighting off the two of them is still one hell of a feat. Haruno IS still the apprentice of the Fifth Hokage.
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Chiyo is implied to be the only one that could actually beat Sasori. She was a plot tool.

Check his stats too. Highest total I think. Or somewhere along those lines.
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They're about even at 35 a piece, Itachi is stronger at like 36.5 or 37 by the third Naruto Databook.
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Yeah Sakura was just an exceptionally strong puppet essentially.

Even though Kakashi would beat her in a fight easily at that point, with Chiyo at the helm "Sakura" would probably have won.


Sasori is definitely the most under rated Akatsuki members, well the most really. Dude took down a whole nation with 100 puppets by himself.
Orochimaru couldn't take the leaf village with a Jinchuuriki + Tailed Beast and the first two Hokage's plus heaps of Chuunin-Jounin level ninja's and massive snakes.

Course it's unclear how much firepower the nation Sasori took down had but given the way he says it and how big a deal it is, they obviously fought back.
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The Leaf village is the strongest village out of them all though. How could one base it off that?
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Technically the strongest is the cloud, in military might. The leaf is the most populous.
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Oct 29 2014, 12:19 AM
The 1000 snake jutsu wouldn't be that great really the puppets should slash them up easily. Plus being stabbed wouldn't do much to the puppets they'd beed to be stabbed or have their threads cut for them to become unsuable. Plus the Kazekagr could probably take them out using spikes of iron.


I don't think it really makes sense for Oro to be immune to all poisons though such a thing is a bit hard to determine. He most likely researches every poison and finds a way to become immune to them his body shouldn't just be able to become immine to poisons it's never been met with before.
He'd definitely be resistant to it but completely immune? Doubtful.
Maybe he'd be saved by his cloning technique though since it seems like he makes a new body, but it uses a lot of chakra so he couldn't escape with that forever.


The puppets IMO are not even that impresive, Sakura was well capable to twke care of them, Oro would beat the crap out of em and the 1.000 snake jutsu would help him to accomplish it. The kazekages jutsu coukd be blocked by rashomon after that Oro has Sasori off guard, and even if that doesnt work Oro coukd sustain it, as for the poisson im pretty sure Orochimaru has immunity to all known poissons, i doubt Sasori will create a whole other while fighting, and even if he does, Oro can make himself appear again, he made it twice or three times when fighting Kyubi Naruto.



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Oct 29 2014, 01:30 AM
Granny Chiyo is on the Ninja Council, and she fought harder than the Kazekage Gaara, putting her in that Kage Zone. Sakura is far beyond Chunin level. Probably not quite Kage level, but something like Jounin class in skill. So fighting off the two of them is still one hell of a feat. Haruno IS still the apprentice of the Fifth Hokage.

Sakura when she fought Sasori woukd get stomped by Kakashi, she doesnt near Kage level yet

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Oct 29 2014, 01:51 AM
They're about even at 35 a piece, Itachi is stronger at like 36.5 or 37 by the third Naruto Databook.

If i remember correctly, Orochimar was placed as a 35 and Sasori as a 34.

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Oct 29 2014, 01:55 AM
Yeah Sakura was just an exceptionally strong puppet essentially.

Even though Kakashi would beat her in a fight easily at that point, with Chiyo at the helm "Sakura" would probably have won.


Sasori is definitely the most under rated Akatsuki members, well the most really. Dude took down a whole nation with 100 puppets by himself.
Orochimaru couldn't take the leaf village with a Jinchuuriki + Tailed Beast and the first two Hokage's plus heaps of Chuunin-Jounin level ninja's and massive snakes.

Course it's unclear how much firepower the nation Sasori took down had but given the way he says it and how big a deal it is, they obviously fought back.


Hiruzen stated Oro could take down a nation on his own as well, the hidden leaf had Sarutobi, Kakashi and many other powerfull shinobi, we dont know what kind of nation Sasori took down.
Now looking back at thinks, Orochimaru was above Old Hiruzen and was well capable to fight somewhat equally with 4 tailed Naruto, the same Naruto would demolish Sasori no problem IMO and a weakenned Orochimaru was equal to him even throwning him back and almost pierching his skin, not to mention Orochimaru was mad he couldnt finish the fight.

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Really.???

Orochimaru is a class above .


Do not forget that Sasori was defeated by SAKURA

Even "damaged" Orochimaru would eat Sakura and that old woman for breakfast
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Oct 29 2014, 07:58 PM
Really.???

Orochimaru is a class above .


Do not forget that Sasori was defeated by SAKURA

Even "damaged" Orochimaru would eat Sakura and that old woman for breakfast
Well Sasori was defeated by the help of Sakura, Granny Chiyo was the perfect match for somene like Sasori.
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Oct 29 2014, 07:51 PM
Hiruzen stated Oro could take down a nation on his own as well, the hidden leaf had Sarutobi, Kakashi and many other powerfull shinobi, we dont know what kind of nation Sasori took down.
Now looking back at thinks, Orochimaru was above Old Hiruzen and was well capable to fight somewhat equally with 4 tailed Naruto, the same Naruto would demolish Sasori no problem IMO and a weakenned Orochimaru was equal to him even throwning him back and almost pierching his skin, not to mention Orochimaru was mad he couldnt finish the fight.
Not by himself though he'd have to use his soldiers and summons to do it and while Sasori used his puppets and possibly the Kazekage he still has to do it by himself.


Orochimaru is just far harder to one shot than Sasori since he can spawn new bodies and be cut in half etc with little issues but he can't last forever against someone who can wreck him his chakra reservoirs don't seem to be that fantastic and his techniques like those seem to use a lot.
However Sasori effectively has 100 lives with those puppets, being stabbed by the Kusani blade won't do much to a puppet body not like there are any organs or muscles to damage beyond repair.

Rashomon would be pretty useless in this fight, might block an attack but mostly it's just going to waste Oro's chakra.

The 1000 snakes technique could probably just be destroyed by a massive fireball, or Sasori could just use a water jet to cut Orochimaru in two while he was doing it, if I remember right he kept his hands placed on the ground at that point, seems like he actively controls what the snakes do.
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Oct 30 2014, 01:13 AM
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Oct 29 2014, 07:51 PM
Hiruzen stated Oro could take down a nation on his own as well, the hidden leaf had Sarutobi, Kakashi and many other powerfull shinobi, we dont know what kind of nation Sasori took down.
Now looking back at thinks, Orochimaru was above Old Hiruzen and was well capable to fight somewhat equally with 4 tailed Naruto, the same Naruto would demolish Sasori no problem IMO and a weakenned Orochimaru was equal to him even throwning him back and almost pierching his skin, not to mention Orochimaru was mad he couldnt finish the fight.
Not by himself though he'd have to use his soldiers and summons to do it and while Sasori used his puppets and possibly the Kazekage he still has to do it by himself.


Orochimaru is just far harder to one shot than Sasori since he can spawn new bodies and be cut in half etc with little issues but he can't last forever against someone who can wreck him his chakra reservoirs don't seem to be that fantastic and his techniques like those seem to use a lot.
However Sasori effectively has 100 lives with those puppets, being stabbed by the Kusani blade won't do much to a puppet body not like there are any organs or muscles to damage beyond repair.

Rashomon would be pretty useless in this fight, might block an attack but mostly it's just going to waste Oro's chakra.

The 1000 snakes technique could probably just be destroyed by a massive fireball, or Sasori could just use a water jet to cut Orochimaru in two while he was doing it, if I remember right he kept his hands placed on the ground at that point, seems like he actively controls what the snakes do.
Not really Hiruzen's statement mentioned Oro alone had the power to do it, and to be honest the kazekage and his puppets are Sasori, without them he is weak, and i think i remember Sasori stating he defeated the nation with his puppets "his supposedly strongest jutsu".

Exactly Orochimaru's durability is a great factor in this battle as well, immunity to poisson, sustaining been cut in half, spouting new strong bodys etc, to be honest Sasori's pupets will be a walk in the park for Oro, the guy has incredible speed to speedblitz them and has enough strengh in taijutsu to smash them, Rashomon doesnt take away to much chakra out Orochimaru, and it would be good to dodge the kazekages iron sand, does Sasori even have those teckniques to avoid the 1.000 jutsu?

To add thinks up, Oro was shown to have both fire and wind type jutsu, his strengh is good enough to wipe out the puppets, only the third kazekage would prove some problem. Still Oro can use summoning jutsu, attack him with a suprise attack, use fire or wind type or heck could even use his mightiest attack, eight brancies jutsu, this jutsu would wreck Sasori all over, not only that but he also has enough force to hurt a Kyubi Naruto.
Edited by Majin Vegeta, Oct 30 2014, 04:55 PM.
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