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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 27 2014, 03:32 AM (1,612 Views) | |
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Oct 27 2014, 04:40 AM Post #16 |
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Hypothetically speaking, if there were ever a law for this, it should be judged situation by situation. I wouldn't let every rapist or murderer have a second chance. Letting rapists or murderers go completely free would be putting innocents at risk for rape and murder. However, given the right circumstances, I feel like criminals should be given some sort of leniency with the law (probation, reduced sentence, etc.) Making a person spend the rest of their life in prison for one mistake that they may feel extreme regret and self-hatred over doesn't sit very well with me. |
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| SSJSC | Oct 27 2014, 04:42 AM Post #17 |
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What if the rapist has three victims and it's the first time he's getting criminal record and he never had a criminal record before? So once he comes out of jail and follows probation very well, should you give him or her a second chance? |
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Oct 27 2014, 04:45 AM Post #18 |
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I would need to know the whole story to make a decision. But my own thoughts or decisions may be different from someone else's. |
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| SSJSC | Oct 27 2014, 04:47 AM Post #19 |
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You're not alone, I've also been in situations where I considered doing some truly terrible things before too, and once I got past them I felt like I didn't do anything wrong. The "self control" gut is a true saving grace sometimes. Let's just hope no one accuses us 10-20 years from now. Edited by SSJSC, Oct 27 2014, 04:49 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Oct 27 2014, 06:10 AM Post #20 |
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It would depend on the circumstances. I'd have to know the whole story to make an informed decision. Some of the things people get put away for are meager compared to the things others get away with. For instance, statutory rape. If I was put in prison for having sex with a consenting girl not of "legal age," but her parents found out and pressed charges on me, I'd be irate and damn well would want a second chance. Another would be self-defense that might be deemed too aggressive, or accidentally killing a burglar in my home. Maybe one night after an awful, awful day (pet died, parents died, wife wants a divorce, etc.), I flew into a rage at some kids blasting loud music at 3 in the morning, shot some rounds off as a warning and one round managed to hit and kill one of them—it's not as if I intended to kill or even hurt any of them, but by unfortunate chance I did; I'd like a second chance. Hell, even someone like Angelus (fictional, but brutal enough), who killed dozens and ruined hundreds of lives, I might be inclined to give a second chance if I really believed this person felt guilt for his past and truly wanted to change and redeem himself. But it'd take a very long time. It all just depends. Though...I'd likely never give another chance to an animal abuser. I still don't like Michael Vick. |
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| + Steve | Oct 27 2014, 10:12 AM Post #21 |
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Yeah it depends on the crime. Simply "They sexually assaulted someone" or "They murdered someone" isn't enough to make a judgement. These days there are a lot of "sexual assaults" where what actually happened was it was consensual and then the other person decided they didn't like it and screamed rape. With Pel's view I'd have to ask them what happened before I decided to employ them or not. Depending on how convincing they were they might get hired. But then there's also "sexual assault" where it's just groping someone overly sensitive they don't deserve to be put away for years and years because of that if it ruins someone's life they're pretty pathetic, unless they were already raped or something before but unless the groper knows that it's hardly a serious crime, if done on people of age. Genuine rape is unforgivable it's an evil decision that takes enough time to happen for the person to reconsider but they don't. Murder however can be accidental, a snap decision, self defence etc if it's not something someone clearly had intention to do for a while they deserve a second chance. And if someone's child or spouse etc is murdered with intent and they kill the murderer I'd say they deserve a second chance for sure. I don't see how it's justice for someone who killed your child to sit in a prison with 3 meals a day for the rest of their life or heck even be released for good behaviour. Maybe they regret what they did but that doesn't excuse killing children. Then with things like robbery depends on the crime again if it was just stealing a wallet because they were desperate for cash for whatever reason they deserve another chance I'd say, if it was for drugs get them cleaned up and to pay it back, for something important then they were desperate and didn't know what to do. But like, armed robbery, robbing banks etc they're pretty unforgivable imo. I think the most unforgivable crimes though are abuses of power like genuine rape, killing defenceless animals or children, pretty much every form of abuse. |
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| * Mitas | Oct 27 2014, 11:29 AM Post #22 |
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I agree with the general consensus that the context of the crime is the most important factor in deciding whether people deserve second chances. Like Pyrus said, you can be charged with statutory rape if the parents of your partner decide to press charges, even if you're 16 and your partner is 15 (in the UK, with the age of consent being 16). So a person in that situation definitely does not deserve to be put in the same sentence as 'real' sexual offenders. I think milder cases of sexual assault e.g. inappropriate touching and harassment, while I would probably have a low opinion of the person who did it, they should not be blacklisted from society. They should be given a chance to redeem their character. However, in the most serious cases of sexual assault e.g. rape and child abuse, that's when I would start to really think about whether to forgive someone. Those are cases where intent is undeniable, and the victims often never recover mentally. With murder, I think that every case of manslaughter deserves a second chance. They should serve prison time, but if there was no intent to kill that person then there is a very, very low chance that the person would re-offend. People should not be condemned for an accident. When there is intent to kill, that is where it becomes trickier to decide. I think then it comes down to how that person conducted themselves while in prison and whether they showed true remorse for their actions. I also think that age plays a big factor in whether people deserve a second chance. If you commit a crime at a younger age, serve your time and don't re-offend, then I would personally forgive that person for what they did in their past when they were yet to fully mature mentally. As a final note, I don't think I would give criminals a third chance. If you offend, go to prison, get released and re-offend, that's when a pattern starts to form. You were given your chance to re-establish your standing in society and you blew it. |
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| Return Of Imjustsaiyanbro | Oct 27 2014, 05:45 PM Post #23 |
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If they're a pedophile or sexual predator I won't allow them near any of my females family members or children. If they're a killer I won't be around them period. If they got busted for using illegal drugs then yes I would definitely. Anything else is a "maybe" but it'll take them awhile to earn my trust. |
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| SSJSC | Oct 27 2014, 08:12 PM Post #24 |
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Not every person who commits sexual assaults intend to repeat those offenses when they're out of jail or prison. It's only those who persist are the real sexual predators. Some people learn their lesson and some don't. |
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| + Pelador | Oct 27 2014, 08:14 PM Post #25 |
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I disagree. I think once a pervert, always a pervert. |
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| * Mitas | Oct 27 2014, 08:16 PM Post #26 |
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I suppose that's one of the big issues people have about giving second chances: you don't know whether that person will or won't learn from their mistakes. What would be worse: giving someone a second chance only for them to re-offend, or not giving a second chance to someone who has learned from their mistakes? I think that's why some people are so hard on giving people second chances. If they don't give anyone a second chance, it eliminates the possibility of there being another victim. |
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| + Pelador | Oct 27 2014, 08:18 PM Post #27 |
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Look at Ian Huntely. He was a registered sex offender and got a job in a school as a caretaker. I think we all know what happened next. |
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| SSJSC | Oct 27 2014, 08:46 PM Post #28 |
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High school kids are the most perverted people out there. They say sexual things to each other every day and eventually when they become adults, they transition out of that phase. So how is your idea a logical argument for something like this? And there was also a news where a woman was a victim of r*** and when the rapist paid his dues and served jail time, the victim gave him a second chance to start his life anew. He hasn't committed any sex crimes since then. So you're also saying someone like this shouldn't be given a second chance either? I told you, not every rapist or sexual predators are bound to repeat the same offenses when they're out. Some of them are good people who made stupid mistakes in the past. You are in no position to be judging the state of mind of other people unless they keep getting arrested. You're already assuming that every person who commits a sex crime will stay like that forever. Edited by SSJSC, Oct 27 2014, 08:49 PM.
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Oct 27 2014, 09:12 PM Post #29 |
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It really depends on what they did and what their current condition is. If they killed someone, but feel remorse and are rehibilitated, than I don't see why they shouldn't at least be able to get their sentence reduced. If they killed someone and feel no remorse, than no, they deserve to stay in jail. If they feel remorse, but are in danger of repeating their crime, then they should stay in jail or at least be on probation. But people like child molesters have no means or proof that they can reform themselves, therefore I think that they should stay behind bars. However, sex offenders aren't all bad. Someone convicted of statutory rape is legally considered a "sex offender" in the US, even if both parties had consensual sex. For example, a 17 year old guy has sex with a 15 year old girl. Both consented, but her parents find out, and press charges. He's put in the same legal boat as a 55 year old who molests 8 year olds. In short, it's not fair. Edited by Ketchup Revenge, Oct 27 2014, 09:18 PM.
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| SSJSC | Oct 27 2014, 09:25 PM Post #30 |
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Should you take someone who makes inappropriate or sexual comments online or in an online game seriously? They could just be trolls and pretending to be pedophiles or sex offenders, but aren't like that in real life. Edited by SSJSC, Oct 27 2014, 09:26 PM.
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