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How strong is everyone at EoZ
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Ssj3 Vegeta	Oct 26 2014, 08:40 AM Post #1
Dragonborn Posts: 333 Group: Member Member #11,667 Joined: September 14, 2014 Gender Male Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime Dragonball and Dragonball Z and Dragon ball GT What Browser do you use? Google chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball	Mostly I'd like to know Goku,Vegeta,Uub Here's what I have them at and I'd like to know everyone else aswell. Goku:80.000.000.000 Vegeta:80.000.000.000 Uub:65.000.000.000 Uub(enraged):75.000.000.000 Edited by Ssj3 Vegeta, Oct 26 2014, 09:09 AM.
	once upon a time there lived a man, this man had all the awensers to every question man made, however he could not speak, when he awoke one morning he found two men discussing a topic he was all too familiar with so as usual he tried to explain the awenser to them, but they just ignored him and carried on at that momment a box came along and told the man: "If you really want people to hear your ideas even if you are right to cant just tell them they must serch for it, if you like you can live inside me and people can come and ask me there questions and i shall respond with your awensers" The man nodded and lived inside the box,people constantly consult the box for awensers but sometimes dont believe it,You know what the mans name was: -internet


+ Majin Vegeta	Oct 26 2014, 10:07 AM Post #2
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Well i dont place them at power levels, but i have Base Goku EOZ > SSJ3 Goku Buu Arc = Base Vegeta EOZ ~> Uub Enraged FP. However this is just my opinion, but Uub was heavily impled to be > Good Buu which means at the least he should be stronger than SSJ2 Goku Buu Arc. Edited by Majin Vegeta, Oct 26 2014, 10:07 AM.
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


+ Pyrus	Oct 26 2014, 11:22 AM Post #3
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Numbers are so dependent on the "how am I feeling right now" shtick that whatever I put down now might not be the same as what I'd give next month or what I've given in the past, but here you go, bub. Gohan - 10,000,000,000,000 Goku - 450,000,000,000 Vegeta - 450,000,000,000 Oob - between 350,000,000,000 and 450,000,000,000 Good Boo - 300,000,000,000 Piccolo - 4,500,000,000 Trunks - 975,000,000 Goten - 900,000,000 Artificial Human #18 - 750,000,000 Krillin - 5,000,000 Tenshinhan - 3,000,000 Yamcha - 800,000 Chichi - 100 Videl - 7.5 (as opposed to BoDB Goku's 10, in case you're wondering) Mr. Satan - 6 I just made these all up. I haven't dabbled in actual assigned numbers in a while. I go by power chains for the most part. Edited by Pyrus, Oct 26 2014, 11:22 AM.
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+ Havoc_Wreaker	Oct 26 2014, 12:07 PM Post #4
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	^ hmmm numbers seem pretty good videl and satan are spot on im more of a believer that goten = trunks post rosat in the buu arc so eoz they would be equal as well but thats just me also too much leeway for oob 400,000,000,000 - 450,000,000,000 seems better



+ Pyrus	Oct 26 2014, 12:14 PM Post #5
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I figured his kiai could make it or break it for him.
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+ Havoc_Wreaker	Oct 26 2014, 12:23 PM Post #6
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	true true, then theres also the fact that goku could have let down his guard momentarily before the onslaught which resulted in oobs fantastic showcasing if anything i guess u could even potentially put oob a bit lower then 350



superperfectnerd	Oct 26 2014, 04:52 PM Post #7
Posts: 3,718 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	Before Battle of Gods I always found it hard to believe Goku was stronger than his ssj3 Buu saga self in base for a few reasons. 1. In the 7 years between the Cell and Buu sagas Goku only managed to get a bit stronger than Gohan was in his ss2 form and that was with all the advantages of Otherworld. 2. Uub is the reincarnation of Kid Buu, so I always considrered his maximum potential was Kid Buu's power. If Uub already achieves this to match Goku in their fight, then why on Earth is Goku giving long term goodbyes to all his friends? It shouldn't take long to train Uub to utilise power he can already access. To me I always saw it as Goku anticipating fighting a full and ready Buu reincarnation he was however met with someone with Buu's potential but in need of extensive training to achieve that power. Hence why he suddenly opts to train him, because Uub didn't give him the ultimate fight that he wanted. If Goku is greater in base than he was in ssj3 Buu saga, then why would he be excited about fighting a power as weak as Kid Buu is compared to him? Why not just fight Vegeta to a clear conclusion for once? All that considered I felt comfortable with Goku 2x what he was in the Buu saga, then a power equivalent to Kid Buu would still give him a good fight, especially if the opponent also had magic and regeneration. So... Goku base = 2 000 000 000 ssj = 100 000 000 000 ssj2 = 200 000 000 000 ssj3 = 800 000 000 000 Vegeta base = a bit below but basically Goku's equal bar the absence of ssj3 Uub = 432 Enraged = 1 800 000 000 Gohan = 1 000 000 000 000 000 But then Battle of Gods happened and I just don't know what to think any more. Edited by superperfectnerd, Oct 26 2014, 05:02 PM.



SSJ	Oct 26 2014, 05:18 PM Post #8
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Boo Arc Goku: --Super Saiyan 2 (quick burst): 100,000,000,000 --Super Saiyan 2: 120,000,000,000 --Super Saiyan 3: 480,000,000,000 EoZ fighters: Oob: 450,000,000,000 Good Boo: 180,000,000,000 Goku: 440,000,000,000 Vegeta: 440,000,000,000 Goten: 4,000,000,000 Trunks: 4,000,000,000



+ Majin Vegeta	Oct 26 2014, 06:42 PM Post #9
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	superperfectnerd Oct 26 2014, 04:52 PM Before Battle of Gods I always found it hard to believe Goku was stronger than his ssj3 Buu saga self in base for a few reasons. 1. In the 7 years between the Cell and Buu sagas Goku only managed to get a bit stronger than Gohan was in his ss2 form and that was with all the advantages of Otherworld. 2. Uub is the reincarnation of Kid Buu, so I always considrered his maximum potential was Kid Buu's power. If Uub already achieves this to match Goku in their fight, then why on Earth is Goku giving long term goodbyes to all his friends? It shouldn't take long to train Uub to utilise power he can already access. To me I always saw it as Goku anticipating fighting a full and ready Buu reincarnation he was however met with someone with Buu's potential but in need of extensive training to achieve that power. Hence why he suddenly opts to train him, because Uub didn't give him the ultimate fight that he wanted. If Goku is greater in base than he was in ssj3 Buu saga, then why would he be excited about fighting a power as weak as Kid Buu is compared to him? Why not just fight Vegeta to a clear conclusion for once? All that considered I felt comfortable with Goku 2x what he was in the Buu saga, then a power equivalent to Kid Buu would still give him a good fight, especially if the opponent also had magic and regeneration. So... Goku base = 2 000 000 000 ssj = 100 000 000 000 ssj2 = 200 000 000 000 ssj3 = 800 000 000 000 Vegeta base = a bit below but basically Goku's equal bar the absence of ssj3 Uub = 432 Enraged = 1 800 000 000 Gohan = 1 000 000 000 000 000 But then Battle of Gods happened and I just don't know what to think any more. 1) Gains in the dbz are incosistent, Goku gained a power boost of 9x in 6 days training, Piccolo was just meditating on Kaio's planet and just by that he gained a 20x fold boost. 2) I could agree with that, but Goku stated he just wanted to make Uub his sparring partner. Even if you believe that there is still the implication that Uub > Good Buu > SSJ2 Goku Buu Arc, so Base Goku EOZ at least surpasses Good Buu.
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


superperfectnerd	Oct 26 2014, 09:41 PM Post #10
Posts: 3,718 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	That's easily rationalized. They're gains slowed down because they were actually testing a saiyans abilities. Before Goku and Vegeta went to Namek they simply had been slacking. As had every other saiyan/earthling/namekian. So gains came easily once they started using gravity machines and fighting opponents far beyond them and slowed over time. Same as when humans begin working out. That's fine because battle of Gods and it's sequels can explain how they got so strong and everything will be dandy. As it stands manga alone, it's nonsensical. Even if Goku's base = Kid Buu I still don't see that matching Gohan Edited by superperfectnerd, Oct 26 2014, 09:45 PM.



+ Majin Vegeta	Oct 26 2014, 09:57 PM Post #11
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	1) That's all good but Piccolo made such gains between Frieza Arc and Android Arc that he went for Base Saiyans tier to SSJ tier, gaining more than 50x boost in 3 years, and he was training just fine. Also Piccolo again, the gains he made in Kaio's planet have nithing to do with gravity and such, it was just meditation. If ya want more Gohan with the Z sword, the guy in one day became from far weaker than Majin Vegeta to chalenge Fat Buu, over 5x gains in a day. 2) I never believed SSJ3 Goku EOZ could beat Mystic Gohan either .
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


superperfectnerd	Oct 26 2014, 10:30 PM Post #12
Posts: 3,718 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	I can rationalize it, I just have to reach a bit. Piccolo seems to get more out of meditating than anyone else does, plus just being in 10x gravity with weights on must have done something. Namekians have never been under 10x gravity before, maybe they actually benefit and grow quicker than saiyans (innitially) and saiyans only surpass him through transformation (until they've built up their bases to ridiculous levels when Piccolo hits his wall) . Between Freeza and Cell Piccolo was now a fused being, so the fusion not only increased his initial power but also his ability to gain from training. Then once Buu saga hits it slows down for everyone. As for Gohan, well, he's Gohan, he'd been slacking and he was wielding a super heavy, magic sword that could have abilities to draw out hidden strength, just not on the level of Old Kai (the source).



+ Majin Vegeta	Oct 26 2014, 10:38 PM Post #13
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	superperfectnerd Oct 26 2014, 10:30 PM I can rationalize it, I just have to reach a bit. Piccolo seems to get more out of meditating than anyone else does, plus just being in 10x gravity with weights on must have done something. Namekians have never been under 10x gravity before, maybe they actually benefit and grow quicker than saiyans (innitially) and saiyans only surpass him through transformation (until they've built up their bases to ridiculous levels when Piccolo hits his wall) . Between Freeza and Cell Piccolo was now a fused being, so the fusion not only increased his initial power but also his ability to gain from training. Then once Buu saga hits it slows down for everyone. As for Gohan, well, he's Gohan, he'd been slacking and he was wielding a super heavy, magic sword that could have abilities to draw out hidden strength, just not on the level of Old Kai (the source). However Piccolo was not exposed to any training that normally gives a huge power increase, he did the same training at saiyan arc for a year and he barely gained 8x power increase or so. Gohan was not untrained he was training for the budokai and fought many battles before the z sword practise(against Dabura and Fat Buu). All in one dbz gains are very inconsistent and cant truly judge them.
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


superperfectnerd	Oct 26 2014, 11:03 PM Post #14
Posts: 3,718 Group: Member Member #11,519 Joined: July 15, 2014	Namekians get their power from yellow sun radiation and Namek has 3 suns?



+ Majin Vegeta	Oct 26 2014, 11:05 PM Post #15
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	superperfectnerd Oct 26 2014, 11:03 PM Namekians get their power from yellow sun radiation and Namek has 3 suns? Wel namek does have 3 suns, dunno about the other, i dont remember a statement been made for that. Anyway what does this have to do with what we are discussing?
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


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