TheACE

Oct 27 2014, 03:53 PM

Jiraiya doesn't have Susano'o

Steve

Oct 27 2014, 10:28 AM

wolffanghameha

Oct 27 2014, 01:47 AM

If you go by the anime then Jiraiya and Itachi are equals, where Jiraiya has a slight edge. Manga wise people make the excuse that Itachi didn't want to hurt anyone from Konoha so he decided to run away (or he got weaker from using ameterasu on Sasauke earlier). I guess you can argue based on what Kisame said (paraphrasing) "why do you have to run away", implying that Itachi should be able to take Jiraiya.

I personally see it as somewhat of a toss up. Starting Jiraiya in sage mode gives him a decent edge against Itachi, while restoring Itachi's vision gives some unprecedented wildcard which is anyone's guess. Personally would give the edge to Itachi for being able to spam all the mangyeko techs.

I don't think they'd be that useful really Genjutsu wouldn't work and with Sage Mode Amaterasu wouldn't hit. Susano'o seems to limit movement either at least at Itachi's stage so he couldn't blitz over and get some swings in.

I feel Jiraiya is far more equipped with techniques and experience to take on Uchiha's than most characters it's a shame that was never really utilized.

wolffanghameha

Oct 27 2014, 06:28 PM

The main problem is still genjutsu IMO since he could sense the ametarsu coming. He can still cast genjutsu from his finger even if he avoids eye contact, and we know that even if you're careful you can get screwed over if you aren't covering your eyes. Or else Kabuto wouldn't even bother with it. I doubt he was just being overly cautious.

Steve

Oct 27 2014, 12:59 AM

Orochimaru

Oct 26 2014, 10:52 PM

Doesnt really change much though, Naruto with nine tails chakra is definently faster than Sage Mode, he has feats like dodging the Raikage's fastest punch something only Minato has managed, Tsunade was even impessed Naruto at this form could keep up with the Raikage, also he has strengh feats to, i believe Naruto would use Sage Mode if it was better. If Itachi can handle that Naruto then he could also handle an unperfected Sage Mode Jiraya at taijutsu, at least thats only my opinion.

Yeah but speed ain't all that if you lack the power to defeat your opponent Itachi is one of the fastest characters and has the Sharingan which means he can take on characters much faster than him the same way Sasuke took Naruto on in Part I.

The reason he used Sage Mode for the Third Raikage was most likely due to the offensive boost it provides. Sage Mode remains relevant because it gives him better physical attributes NTCM is just speed and reserves no defence or physical might.
That he sprained his ankle upon activating it shows he's not nearly as durable in SM he fell off a mountain on to spikes and was totally fine.

SM Naruto vs Itachi in Taijutsu would be a different story blocking his hits would mean getting whatever he blocked them with broken, even though Naruto probably isn't faster than Itachi in that mode or at least not by that much. Same with Jiraiya his hits would be too hard for Itachi to block he'd need Susano'o right away to stand a chance.

Also NTCM has more of a travelling speed than fighting it more or less makes him run faster than completely move faster.
I mean we've never seen him blitz someone and go all DBZ with punches on them when with his kind of speed he should be able to or like throw multiple kunai extremely fast. Nor did we see him take out any White Zetsu's with anything but chakra arms and Rasengan's, suggests that he lacks the physical power to just punch their heads off and conserve energy.

Orochimaru

Oct 28 2014, 11:17 AM

But NTCM Naruto also has ver good strengh feats, here are some good feats from the form:

"As with all jinchūriki transformations, the Nine-Tails Chakra Mode gives the user increased strength, speed, and defences. The Nine-Tails Chakra Mode's increases are noticeably superior: Naruto becomes strong enough to push a fully formed Tailed Beast Ball through a multiple layered barrier with just one arm, neutralise White Zetsu with a single kick despite their durability, and, in collaboration with Killer B in his full Eight-Tails form, knock down the Demonic Statue of the Outer Path with an uppercut. Naruto's durability is also very high in this form, as he was able to endure extreme heat with only minor burns, and withstand the Ten-Tails' Tenpenchii, suffering only minor physical wounds and the loss of his shroud."

If i remember well one of Pain's was able to fight SM Naruto for a bit, i think Itachi could hold his own without actually getting broken bones, plus like you said Itachi woukd be fast eough to not get hit by Naruto's blows. His combat speed is impressive, he did dodge the Raikages fastest punch, doesnt that clarify for combat speed?

TheACE

Oct 29 2014, 01:54 AM

Somehow using Sasuke as a measuring stick to gauge Itachi seems a little skewed. Especially given the fact that Itachi has always been portrayed as more talented, more skillful and better trained.