Manga statements that confirm/suggest that Gotenks stronger than Goku

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Manga statements that confirm/suggest that Gotenks stronger than Goku
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AvatarReiko	Oct 24 2014, 04:53 AM Post #1
Posts: 493 Group: Member Member #10,670 Joined: January 3, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Bleach, Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Bleach	Sorry about this. Could someone post a couple of quotes that state that Gotenks is stronger then SSJ3 Goku. I am arguing it on a couple of forums,but I cannot remember where in the manga the quotes are. I advent read it in a while



* Ketchup Revenge	Oct 24 2014, 05:37 AM Post #2
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	When talking to Kaioshin about Gotenks being SSj3, Goku makes reference to him being in much better control of SSj3 than he was. I don't have the exact quote as I don't own that volume, but I distinctly remember him calling Goten and Trunks "little jerks" for being so strong.
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AvatarReiko	Oct 24 2014, 06:49 AM Post #3
Posts: 493 Group: Member Member #10,670 Joined: January 3, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Bleach, Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Bleach	AvatarReiko Oct 24 2014, 04:53 AM Sorry about this. Could someone post a couple of quotes that state that Gotenks is stronger then SSJ3 Goku. I am arguing it on a couple of forums,but I cannot remember where in the manga the quotes are. I advent read it in a while Another quick question.Since you probably know a bit more on this than I do, was wondering. Do character stamens override feats when debating who is stronger



+ Havoc_Wreaker	Oct 24 2014, 07:32 AM Post #4
Popcorn Posts: 9,904 Group: Elite Member Member #5,870 Joined: March 19, 2011 Gender Other Country Canada	depends on the circumstance but generally feats> statements Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P9.3 Piccolo: “If that bastard felt like it, he could wipe out the entire Earth, up here included, in the blink of an eye…!” Goku: “It’s alright, I don’t think he’ll take out the Earth. After all, I told him that in 2 days, someone stronger than me would fight him, and he seemed happy…” Note: Goku actually never told Boo this (apparently he's gone senile in the afterlife). Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5 Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!” source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15488 the quote ketchup is referring to is this one here Chapter: 493 (DBZ 299), P12.2-4 Kaioshin: “In-incredible…S-so this is Fusion?...” Goku: “N-no…That’s Fusion, no doubt about it, but…Thi-this is Super Saiyan 3…! Un-unbelievable…Those rotten little brats…They al-already became Super Saiyan 3, and that took me years to finally manage it…Am-amazin’…haha…amazin’…!” Note: So it seems that Goku never planned on Gotenks reaching Super Saiyan 3, but still thought he’d be able to defeat Boo (or at least that it was worth a shot).



+ Pyrus	Oct 24 2014, 08:02 AM Post #5
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	AvatarReiko Oct 24 2014, 04:53 AM Sorry about this. Could someone post a couple of quotes that state that Gotenks is stronger then SSJ3 Goku. I am arguing it on a couple of forums,but I cannot remember where in the manga the quotes are. I advent read it in a while If you're in for a semi-long read, you can check out a topic I made ages ago here: http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8361524/1/ It has basically every strength statement concerning the main players of the Boo arc. AvatarReiko Oct 24 2014, 06:49 AM AvatarReiko Oct 24 2014, 04:53 AM Sorry about this. Could someone post a couple of quotes that state that Gotenks is stronger then SSJ3 Goku. I am arguing it on a couple of forums,but I cannot remember where in the manga the quotes are. I advent read it in a while Another quick question.Since you probably know a bit more on this than I do, was wondering. Do character stamens override feats when debating who is stronger 99% of the time, feats are superior to statements because they are what we actually see occur in front of our eyes instead of simply taking a character's word for it, but statements should always be factored in as supplementary bits of information. If a feat exists, you usually use that first and then statements to supplement and quantify it. If a feat does not exist, you must use the statements provided since that's what the author has given you. Here's a post from another member that sums up my opinion on the whole feats and statements business: Quote: I always use Vegeta's statement of confidence against #18 to make my point. He states he can defeat her as a SSj, yet feats contradict that statement later. Is it overconfidence on Vegeta's part? Of course but there is no need to delve into statement interpretations such as "he's lying" or "he's just boasting" when you have a feat that directly contradicts the statement later. I just believe in trying to make this series as objective as possible. Create a standard of evidence(statements are absolute until contradicted, feats>statements etc etc) then draw evidence directly from the manga and allow your evidence to lead you to a conclusion. None of the second rate wishy washy mental tap dances some people do in order to justify a statement not holding validity. This is because STATEMENTS actually form the story and therefore should be taken absolutely because without statements we have no way to gauge anything in the series. And then here's a post from me containing a long back-and-forth between some trolls on Neoseeker about the validity of statements and feats. I went into more depth about the comparison of the two, but they kept twisting it to make it seem as if I was saying statements are always #1 and are never wrong: http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8936996&t=8445356
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AvatarReiko	Oct 24 2014, 09:15 PM Post #6
Posts: 493 Group: Member Member #10,670 Joined: January 3, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Bleach, Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga Bleach	Havoc_Wreaker Oct 24 2014, 07:32 AM depends on the circumstance but generally feats> statements Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P9.3 Piccolo: “If that bastard felt like it, he could wipe out the entire Earth, up here included, in the blink of an eye…!” Goku: “It’s alright, I don’t think he’ll take out the Earth. After all, I told him that in 2 days, someone stronger than me would fight him, and he seemed happy…” Note: Goku actually never told Boo this (apparently he's gone senile in the afterlife). Chapter: 489 (DBZ 295), P11.5 Context: seeing Gotenks after he’d trained in the Room of Spirit and Time Piccolo: “He-he really is different…! He really has greatly powered up…! Th-this just might…!” source: http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15488 the quote ketchup is referring to is this one here Chapter: 493 (DBZ 299), P12.2-4 Kaioshin: “In-incredible…S-so this is Fusion?...” Goku: “N-no…That’s Fusion, no doubt about it, but…Thi-this is Super Saiyan 3…! Un-unbelievable…Those rotten little brats…They al-already became Super Saiyan 3, and that took me years to finally manage it…Am-amazin’…haha…amazin’…!” Note: So it seems that Goku never planned on Gotenks reaching Super Saiyan 3, but still thought he’d be able to defeat Boo (or at least that it was worth a shot). Thanks for that. Its funny you brought Neoseeker up. I signed up to the forum recently and I was surprised at the amount of tolls that post there. So many threads Gohan vs. Kid Buu threads that reach over 10 pages.



SSJ	Oct 25 2014, 05:00 AM Post #7
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Gotenks stronger than Goku's? The manga says it



+ Emmeth	Oct 25 2014, 05:01 AM Post #8
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	"Unless Goku says himself he's weaker than Gotenks and Gohan, he isn't". ...Oh okay. Sorry for misinterpreting that. -99% of the world.
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SSJ	Oct 25 2014, 05:02 AM Post #9
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	I'm sorry emmeth



OmegaMagnusDA	Oct 26 2014, 06:52 PM Post #10
Kaioken Beserker Posts: 194 Group: Member Member #7,564 Joined: April 21, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Welcome to the NHK	I believe it SSJ3 Gotenks=Super Buu>SSJ3 Goku Piccolo says Gotenks and Super Buu equal in anime.
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Alex D. Boss	Oct 26 2014, 07:06 PM Post #11
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Yeah Gotenks is stronger than Goku.



OmegaMagnusDA	Oct 26 2014, 10:53 PM Post #12
Kaioken Beserker Posts: 194 Group: Member Member #7,564 Joined: April 21, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Welcome to the NHK	OmegaMagnus11DA Oct 26 2014, 06:52 PM I believe it SSJ3 Gotenks=Super Buu>SSJ3 Goku Piccolo says Gotenks and Super Buu equal in anime. Also, Super Buu is stronger than Fat Buu cause of the evil manifestation (the absorption of fat Kai supressed Fat Buu power) Super Buuhan>Super Buutenks>Super Buu>Kid Buu>Fat Buu
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