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| SSJ | Oct 20 2014, 02:57 AM Post #16 | |
 
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Could be what you said, still seems odd that he would expect the transformation.
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| + Kyouks | Oct 20 2014, 03:08 AM Post #17 | |
 
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Meh, Vegeta said that he'd surpass SSJ before, it could be as simple as Piccolo connecting the dots (prior statements + immense power up). | |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Oct 20 2014, 04:24 AM Post #18 | |
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Considering that Trunks praised Gohan for "transforming the correct way", I think that the two are at the least, similar. The difference of course is that Full Power Super Saiyan seems to be a requirement for SSj2. It seems that something with FPSSj (such as ki control in a transformed state) is the requirement for transforming to a more effective form. |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Oct 20 2014, 12:23 PM Post #19 | |
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Im not quite sure, but i remember Trunks stating Gohan has transformed the "right way" which implies to me that SSJ2 = USSJ in power, but SSJ2 also increases the users speed, so im gonna say yes they are the same in terms of power.
Edited by Majin Vegeta, Oct 20 2014, 12:23 PM.
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| TKSSJ | Oct 22 2014, 04:43 PM Post #20 | |
 
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IMO, Grade 3 is still a bit weaker in raw power than SSJ2. Grade 3 Trunks even when he did hit (initial) Perfect Cell didn't cause any significant damage to him. Put a SSJ2 in that same situation and handicap his speed, I think he would trash (initial) Perfect Cell landing the same blows.
Edited by TKSSJ, Oct 22 2014, 04:44 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Oct 22 2014, 06:09 PM Post #21 | |
 
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Trunks never landed a single blow in the manga. | |
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| DEY DID DIS 2 ME | Oct 22 2014, 09:57 PM Post #22 | |
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If Super Saiyan 2 is twice as powerful as Super Saiyan, then Super Saiyan Grade 3 is a greater in terms of power. Vegeta (At Cell) outstripped Cell at three different levels of power; that has to say something about the power of Grade 2. | |
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| + Emmeth | Oct 22 2014, 10:32 PM Post #23 | |
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How about this? SSJ: 50x Base SSJ Gr2: 1.5-2.5xSSJ SSJ Gr3: 5xSSJ - Speed & Endurance SSJ2: 5xSSJ Edited by Emmeth, Oct 22 2014, 10:33 PM.
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| Xfing | Oct 23 2014, 11:30 PM Post #24 | |
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Ok, guess I'll chime in here, because I have a completely different opinion on the matter. Firstly, the "transforming the correct way" statement doesn't necessarily imply that the realms of power of these two transformations are equivalent - it just says that SSj2 increases your speed in addition to power, while Grade 3 does not. Secondly, while Grade 2 and 3 are introduced as being "beyond Super Saiyan", the later introduction of SSj2 coupled with Daizenshuu's classification suggest that these forms are just aspects of SSj1 instead. SSj2 is way beyond that in power. Also, don't you think that there are problems with that SEG multiplier of 2x for SSj2 if you compare it to these two forms? How would it make the form so superior if all it gives is 2x your Super Saiyan power? If Grade 2 can give you 1,5x your Super Saiyan power, why didn't Goku transform against Cell? I'll tell ya why, because FPSSj is even better than ASSj and USSj and it is the pinnacle of SSj1 power. You master the form so you can attain the full power that Super Saiyan can offer without getting buff, easily tired out and all the needless fireworks. Super Saiyan 2 is a another level beyond that. It should go something like this: SSj: 50x Base speed and power (initially, later decreasing) SSjG2: 2x SSj1 power, 1,8x SSj1 speed SSjG3: 4x SSj1, 2x SSj1 speed FPSSj: 4x SSj1 speed and power SSj2: 5x FPSSj speed and power So no, Grade 3 or "Ultra Super Saiyan" cannot be directly compared to Super Saiyan 2 in any way, the latter is in a whole other dimension in terms of power, not to mention speed. And yeah, I believe that the mastery of Super Saiyan may (with an emphasis on may) be a requirement to go SSj2. Edited by Xfing, Oct 23 2014, 11:33 PM.
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| zionhyome | Oct 24 2014, 03:10 AM Post #25 | |
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I remember reading somewhere that Grade 3 was physically stronger than SSJ2, but was too slow to effectively use that power. The example was that Grade 3 could beat SSJ2 in an arm wrestling competition, but that it didn't matter, because they always competed in an endurance race. The logic was sound enough. They used the example of Cell complementing Trunks when he fully transformed, saying that he was physically more powerful, but that the only thing he ever said about Gohan was that he was really fast. Now, I don't necessarily agree with this assessment, but it's an interesting theory, nonetheless. I personally believe that SSJ2 is the more powerful of the two. Also, and this may just be me remembering things differently, I don't remember them actually saying that he got faster when he transformed to SSJ2. They had already been impressed by his speed before. The only thing I remember the others saying was that he had increased his strength without LOSING speed, but nothing about his speed actually increasing. |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Oct 24 2014, 12:19 PM Post #26 | |
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He was fast enough to play with Full Power Perfect Cell and take the senzu to his friends while as an MSSJ he was slower and far weaker than a supressed Form, its rather obvious he also had a speed increase.
Edited by Majin Vegeta, Oct 24 2014, 12:20 PM.
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| + Pointer | Oct 24 2014, 12:57 PM Post #27 | |
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Strengthwise it is I reckon the true ascended super saiyan form is ssj2 however as it was mentioned above it is a name given by goku . So I think assj and ussj just a pseudo "ssj2" like the false ssj to the original one |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Oct 24 2014, 08:06 PM Post #28 | |
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So you believe power wise the two forms are the same, but SSJ2 increases everything as much as power does, while USSJ decreases the rest? |
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| zionhyome | Oct 26 2014, 05:13 AM Post #29 | |
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But... He isn't slower. Any time Cell landed a hit on him, he hadn't even tried to dodge it. He was completely still. He hadn't even decided to fight yet, as he was trying to give Cell an out, because he didn't want to kill him. Sure, Cell landed a couple hits while they were in the air, but that doesn't mean that he was faster; just that Gohan hadn't completely decided to fight yet. I mean, Goku wasn't as strong as Cell, but even still, he was able to keep up with him. Gohan didn't really seem much faster than Goku, even after ascending, but it does show that he was stronger than Goku, even before ascending. I don't think killing the Cell, Jr.'s proves he was faster, because again, for most of that fight, he was still, and let his power do the talking, not his speed. He was obviously faster than Trunks at Grade 3, but there wasn't much evidence to support him being faster than himself at his previous state. | |
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| + Pyrus | Oct 26 2014, 05:25 AM Post #30 | |
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Are you basing this off the anime? |
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