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Happiness; No, not the show with Jun
Topic Started: Oct 17 2014, 09:38 PM (942 Views)
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As a warning, I will be using the word happiness A LOT in this post. Bare with me. It's for a point. Which is why it's not going in DD. I don't care if you argue with me or not, these are universal truths whether you realize it or not.

The meaning of life (for humans) is happiness.

Everything you do is based on happiness. Every religion ever created had an aspect and a focus of happiness. You eat what makes you happy. You prefer to be around people that make you happy. You tend to pick jobs that make you happy. If the job doesn't specifically make you happy, the ability to pay your bills or have extra money makes you happy. You pick partners based on happiness. You touch yourself because it makes you happy. You come to this forum, because it makes you happy.

That being said, a moral and ethical line can be drawn at the point where what you do diminishes the happiness of others in any way, shape, or form. Diminishing the happiness of others is the root of evil, greed, pride, envy, lust, etc... (For instance, asking the FMA fans to, at this very moment after mentioning 4/7 homonculi, keep their fandom out of this thread is diminishing their happiness. I'm being greedy.)
But evil is subjective, and i'll digress on that for now.
Human nature causes us all to diminish the happiness of others. But WHY does it do that? To bring happiness to the antagonist.
For instance. Emperor Pilaf's one main focus in Dragon Ball is to acquire the balls and wish to rule over the entire world. In part because of insecurity being the emperor of a mushroom forest, his greed forces him to want more happiness than he already has. This would take away the happiness of others and force everyone to bow to him.
He is essentially seeking happiness. Thus his life has meaning. However, we all view what he is doing as, "wrong," in that he is taking away the happiness of others. Now you understand how that works to the fullest extent, and I need say no more. That also brings back the subjectivity of evil, which I'll once again not dive into.

Now let's take an extreme. Why did two men hijack two planes and fly them into the World Trade Center? Happiness. Their perception of happiness is two fold. Not only did they believe that what they were doing was a GREAT service to their Jihadist principles and idealism, but they also believed that they would achieve ultimate nirvana after death by doing so. There is a selfish aspect to what they are doing, and a selfless aspect. The selfless aspect can be described as bringing happiness to others. I'm sure that at least one person in the world was happy in some manner that thousands of people died for their cause. Sickening, but true.

That leads me to my last point. If happiness is the meaning of life, thus a neutral positive, and diminishing the happiness of others is wrong, an active negative, then what is the active positive? Bringing happiness to others. Giving. Being selfless. Caring for others. Helping them.
Wolves travel in packs. Elephants travel in parades. Why? They are helping each other survive in a manner which brings happiness to each other, if animals experience happiness at all that is. We too must help each other achieve that happiness. That is why giving feels so good.

Being happy is achievable when you're not taking it from others and you are helping others achieve it. Whether you want to believe that or not is up to you.

“Simplicity, patience, compassion.
These three are your greatest treasures.
Simple in actions and thoughts, you return to the source of being.
Patient with both friends and enemies,
you accord with the way things are.
Compassionate toward yourself,
you reconcile all beings in the world.”
― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

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'Giving' bringing happiness and being an active positive is likely only true on a cultural basis. The easiest way to manipulate people is to play with their emotions and that makes even extremely intelligent people easily manipulable.


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Being happy is achievable when you're not taking it from others and you are helping others achieve it. Whether you want to believe that or not is up to you.


Happy may/can be a consistent but I think it's definition is too different for this statement to be universally true (I know you just gave me an option to believe it or not but still..).




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I'll wait for CheckMateIzGod's expert "opinion" on this "topic",

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Oct 17 2014, 10:04 PM
I'll wait for CheckMateIzGod's expert "opinion" on this "topic",
He'll probably say something to the extent of me playing right into his "game", or my "fate".

Surprised he doesn't quote more from X-Files because I feel like he's portraying CSM's persona in his posts a little too hard.
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What happens when the things you do make so many other people unhappy, even if it's morally neutral? Like homosexual relationships, for example. If only the two people in love are made happy and both of their families are outraged, does that make their decision wrong? I guess I just feel like it's harder to define the "good" kind of happiness when so many people treat our private decisions as though it affects them.
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Oct 18 2014, 12:34 AM
What happens when the things you do make so many other people unhappy, even if it's morally neutral? Like homosexual relationships, for example. If only the two people in love are made happy and both of their families are outraged, does that make their decision wrong? I guess I just feel like it's harder to define the "good" kind of happiness when so many people treat our private decisions as though it affects them.
I venture that those who are unhappy about homosexual relationships are engaging in the diminishing of happiness to others. What they are doing is of their own business and not hurting the happiness of anyone. Other than maybe a perceived goal that the parents set for their children to be heteronormal. Which is pretty unfair.
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@"Happiness"

"Happiness" is a "figment" created by the weak thinking that it would give them "hope" to their "miserable lives".But the "irony" is that it gave more "despair".Their own so called "philosophers, teachers and artist" who helped them "define" happiness turned out to be the ones who "controlled" them through their own "creation" of "emotion" called "happiness".
The "funny side" is that they don't seem to realise it even to this date.

Do you want to "really" know what "happiness" does to a person?
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Oct 18 2014, 08:04 PM
@"Happiness"

"Happiness" is a "figment" created by the weak thinking that it would give them "hope" to their "miserable lives".But the "irony" is that it gave more "despair".Their own so called "philosophers, teachers and artist" who helped them "define" happiness turned out to be the ones who "controlled" them through their own "creation" of "emotion" called "happiness".
The "funny side" is that they don't seem to realise it even to this date.

Do you want to "really" know what "happiness" does to a person?
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what are u smoking
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I don't think life can be placed in such simple terms, but you do have points and your message is admirable @Ninjaneer
Tha gaol agam ort. <3
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Oct 18 2014, 08:04 PM
@"Happiness"

"Happiness" is a "figment" created by the weak thinking that it would give them "hope" to their "miserable lives".But the "irony" is that it gave more "despair".Their own so called "philosophers, teachers and artist" who helped them "define" happiness turned out to be the ones who "controlled" them through their own "creation" of "emotion" called "happiness".
The "funny side" is that they don't seem to realise it even to this date.

Do you want to "really" know what "happiness" does to a person?
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Mind = blown

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I wish you were my philosophy professor

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Oct 19 2014, 07:30 PM
I don't think life can be placed in such simple terms, but you do have points and your message is admirable @Ninjaneer
I'm willing to hear your arguments.
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I feel like doing what's right can often make you happy, but doing it regardless is what I find to be the ideal. I'm someone with intense desires and passions, but I hold myself back despite me knowing that I could easily be happy if I pursued them, because sometimes it's the right thing to do. I guess everyone wants to be happy, but not everyone does things for the sole goal of happiness.
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Oct 19 2014, 09:47 PM
I feel like doing what's right can often make you happy, but doing it regardless is what I find to be the ideal. I'm someone with intense desires and passions, but I hold myself back despite me knowing that I could easily be happy if I pursued them, because sometimes it's the right thing to do. I guess everyone wants to be happy, but not everyone does things for the sole goal of happiness.
I think you missed the part where doing what is right keeps you from diminishing the happiness of others. There are A LOT of ways you can diminish that happiness. Some you can't immediately see.

For instance, robbing a bank has no immediate effect on anyone except a corporation. Its the robin hood effect. But in the natural order of things, that money comes from someone's pocket. You're actually taking money from thousands of people and small fractions, not just one person. So in a round about way you're diminishing happiness, even though you can't immediately see that.
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I think you missed the part where doing what is right keeps you from diminishing the happiness of others. There are A LOT of ways you can diminish that happiness. Some you can't immediately see.

No I got that part. But making others happy = making us happy, right? What if it doesn't? Or did I misread.
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I think you missed the part where doing what is right keeps you from diminishing the happiness of others. There are A LOT of ways you can diminish that happiness. Some you can't immediately see.

No I got that part. But making others happy = making us happy, right? What if it doesn't? Or did I misread.
Can you given an example of a time when you've made someone else happy and not felt happy about doing so?
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