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How do i deal with hating/hurting myself?; People won't treat me differently 'cause they know this, right?
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Buuberries	Oct 13 2014, 10:21 PM Post #16
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	lucrowe Oct 13 2014, 06:25 AM Depression works in similar ways, only instead of an infection you have a chemical imbalance in the brain which affects the brain's serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine levels and not its producing enough to keep yourself stable. So please, if you don't understand mental health, don't give advice on the matter. You can disagree with me all you like, and that's just fine! I don't mind if you don't like what I'm saying. But I understand the illness allot better than the usual Joe. It's what I got my education for. nice 1 m8 you should write a journal article about that and get it published since basically all the research i've ever come across have found no single conclusive cause for depression, yet here you are claiming it's just all chemical imbalances in the brain. you'll be hailed as a hero.
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lucrowe	Oct 13 2014, 10:32 PM Post #17
Posts: 1,149 Group: Member Member #11,578 Joined: August 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Gantz What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Not much of a fan..	Buuberries Oct 13 2014, 10:21 PM lucrowe Oct 13 2014, 06:25 AM Depression works in similar ways, only instead of an infection you have a chemical imbalance in the brain which affects the brain's serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine levels and not its producing enough to keep yourself stable. So please, if you don't understand mental health, don't give advice on the matter. You can disagree with me all you like, and that's just fine! I don't mind if you don't like what I'm saying. But I understand the illness allot better than the usual Joe. It's what I got my education for. nice 1 m8 you should write a journal article about that and get it published since basically all the research i've ever come across have found no single conclusive cause for depression, yet here you are claiming it's just all chemical imbalances in the brain. you'll be hailed as a hero. Haha! Good one The research is there. Check out beyondblue.com.au I did a few classes with one of their counselors as my lecturer. The information is all on their page
	"I'm not in it for the money, I'm rapping to be relevant, Spittin' for the hell of it to get me in my element and stomp whack rappers like an elephant... I'm the celebrant delegate spittin' elegant benevolence" - Lucrowe MC. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lucrowe-MC/661247567303948?ref=bookmarks Str8 Outta Namek, A Crazy Mutha Fka Named Lucrowe


Buuberries	Oct 13 2014, 10:47 PM Post #18
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	if youve studied mental health then you should know that psychology is nowhere near complete and that there isnt a unifying paradigm for anything -- it's not like the hard sciences where you have laws of nature and s*. if youre going to give me a citation then give me a journal article w/ research and numbers so i can check out their methodology. anyway, it took a while to load that page since im tethering internet from my phone, but this was on the site you linked: Quote: While the exact cause of depression isn't known, a number of things can be associated with its development. Generally, depression does not result from a single event, but from a combination of recent events and other longer-term or personal factors. as a side note, i dont see the harm in giving advice to people who are experiencing a milder or even moderate form of depression. hell, there are self-help therapies now. even CBT can be considered as self-therapy since even tho you have a professional nudging you along and giving insight, it's still ultimately up to you to implement all the s* they're saying. Edited by Buuberries, Oct 13 2014, 10:49 PM.
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lucrowe	Oct 13 2014, 11:05 PM Post #19
Posts: 1,149 Group: Member Member #11,578 Joined: August 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Gantz What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Not much of a fan..	I'll take a step back from my high horse for a moment, and i'll agree with you. The self help part off depression doesn't stop at medication. You are right about that! There are little things you can do to improve your mental health such as regular exercise, clean eating, and pursuing hobbies. And yes, they do help. I went alittle over board by giving the impression that medication is the end all and be all. But you need to understand, if you're linked to a possible case of clinical depression (which given the topic starters symptoms, if he were my client I would be referring him to a doctor) you need to be mentally examined just incase it is serious. Nothing wrong with getting yourself checked out. Infact, no wrong could come of it! The medication for clinical depression assists in the chemical imbalance as shown in the research, and depending on the case (as many forms of depression are different to others) the medication will help! If it doesn't, ECT I'd the final step of treatment. They wouldn't give out medication if they didn't believe it would help. There is plenty of proof surrounding it. I don't know why you want to fight me on this? I came off strong, because this is serious! I apologise if I came off as a jerk. That wasn't my intention. I just want to help as best I can! There's no reason to say going to see a doctor is a bad idea.
	"I'm not in it for the money, I'm rapping to be relevant, Spittin' for the hell of it to get me in my element and stomp whack rappers like an elephant... I'm the celebrant delegate spittin' elegant benevolence" - Lucrowe MC. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lucrowe-MC/661247567303948?ref=bookmarks Str8 Outta Namek, A Crazy Mutha Fka Named Lucrowe


Buuberries	Oct 13 2014, 11:13 PM Post #20
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	i didnt say you were a jerk and im not against medication. i just think the better course of action is to go with talking therapy and then resort to meds if further assessment strongly suggests chemical imbalance to be the main contributing factor for a client. im not a fan of the whole perspective of throwing out pills at people left rite and centre particularly if it's a milder form of depression. the op's second sentence is "Lot's of people seem to hate me, i hate myself, i try to stab myself, i hurt myself." and the first thing to pop in my head was cognitive distortion/CBT. maybe theyre needed depending on severity and professional assessment, but you dont necessarily need pills to fix madadaptive thought patterns
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lucrowe	Oct 13 2014, 11:20 PM Post #21
Posts: 1,149 Group: Member Member #11,578 Joined: August 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Gantz What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Not much of a fan..	That's all well and good, but he is not going to know what course of action that needs to be taken unless he see's a doctor who can perform a psych exam and refer him to the next stage of his treatment. Whether its therapy, or medication, or both, the doctor will make that call as it's his job to do so. It's not my job, it's not anyone's job except the doctor. Hence why I said he should go and see his doctor before doing anything else. IF he does need medication, then that will be best for him, but that is the doctors call to make! I'm not saying he needs meds (even though it probably came across as such), what I'm saying is he needs to see his doctor. He and his family will not regret the decision.
	"I'm not in it for the money, I'm rapping to be relevant, Spittin' for the hell of it to get me in my element and stomp whack rappers like an elephant... I'm the celebrant delegate spittin' elegant benevolence" - Lucrowe MC. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lucrowe-MC/661247567303948?ref=bookmarks Str8 Outta Namek, A Crazy Mutha Fka Named Lucrowe


Buuberries	Oct 13 2014, 11:26 PM Post #22
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	nice so we agree on that then since that was the first thing i said
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lucrowe	Oct 13 2014, 11:28 PM Post #23
Posts: 1,149 Group: Member Member #11,578 Joined: August 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Gantz What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Not much of a fan..	Yeah, it's what I said from my first on this topic!
	"I'm not in it for the money, I'm rapping to be relevant, Spittin' for the hell of it to get me in my element and stomp whack rappers like an elephant... I'm the celebrant delegate spittin' elegant benevolence" - Lucrowe MC. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lucrowe-MC/661247567303948?ref=bookmarks Str8 Outta Namek, A Crazy Mutha Fka Named Lucrowe


~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Oct 14 2014, 01:06 AM Post #24
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	Quote: So please, if you don't understand mental health, don't give advice on the matter. You can disagree with me all you like, and that's just fine! I don't mind if you don't like what I'm saying. But I understand the illness allot better than the usual Joe. It's what I got my education for. Depression is not caused by one thing and solved by one thing. You studying psychology means nothing if you can't accept that not every person is the same. And in this case, I have no reason to believe that the OP absolutely needs medication. Medication is a last resort option only. And how would you know that I don't understand mental illness? This topic should be about helping the OP, not boasting about our education and claiming that others don't understand because they didn't take a few undergrad psychology courses. Edited by Doggo Champion 2k17, Oct 14 2014, 01:11 AM.



lucrowe	Oct 14 2014, 01:14 AM Post #25
Posts: 1,149 Group: Member Member #11,578 Joined: August 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Gantz What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Not much of a fan..	Please read above posts^
	"I'm not in it for the money, I'm rapping to be relevant, Spittin' for the hell of it to get me in my element and stomp whack rappers like an elephant... I'm the celebrant delegate spittin' elegant benevolence" - Lucrowe MC. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lucrowe-MC/661247567303948?ref=bookmarks Str8 Outta Namek, A Crazy Mutha Fka Named Lucrowe


~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Oct 14 2014, 01:16 AM Post #26
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	I did. I'm addressing your response to me.



lucrowe	Oct 14 2014, 01:22 AM Post #27
Posts: 1,149 Group: Member Member #11,578 Joined: August 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Gantz What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Not much of a fan..	Then you'll know I cleared that up. And I wasn't trying to 'boast about my education'. I was trying to address the benefits of seeking medical advice, which is something this dude needs. He doesn't need to hear a bunch of people saying "do this, it works for me, it will work for you". If he's engaging in self harm, obviously the conventional isn't working and he is not getting any better. This is serious! And it must be treated seriously! I don't want to argue with you about this. Nothing good is going to come of us squawking at each other like a couple of magpies! I'm saying he needs to see a doctor, and then the doctor can decide what is the next best course of treatment for his depression.
	"I'm not in it for the money, I'm rapping to be relevant, Spittin' for the hell of it to get me in my element and stomp whack rappers like an elephant... I'm the celebrant delegate spittin' elegant benevolence" - Lucrowe MC. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lucrowe-MC/661247567303948?ref=bookmarks Str8 Outta Namek, A Crazy Mutha Fka Named Lucrowe


~~Doggo Champion 2k17~~	Oct 14 2014, 01:24 AM Post #28
Posts: 7,931 Group: GTFO Member #6,380 Joined: June 20, 2011 Country United States Favourite Anime here comes What Browser do you use? o shit waddup! Favourite Manga dat boi	And I'm saying that sometimes going to a doctor or a therapist doesn't work. In fact, it can make some people feel even worse. Like I said, there is not one solution that works for everyone. Take me for example. I felt worse when I went to a therapist and got better on my own without seeing a doctor. Those situations make me anxious.



Mihawk	Oct 14 2014, 01:32 AM Post #29
Posts: 4,804 Group: Prodigy Member #4,783 Joined: March 2, 2010 Gender Not Specified	I'd say he has a legitimate point. Sometimes cancer can be treated by moving to the country side (has actually happened). For the majority of the time that's dangerous advice to give out. Go to the doctor, and then follow advice from the internet.



lucrowe	Oct 14 2014, 01:34 AM Post #30
Posts: 1,149 Group: Member Member #11,578 Joined: August 5, 2014 Gender Male Favourite Anime Gantz What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Not much of a fan..	Thats alright! I'm glad you found a way without continuing with a doctor. Honestly, I'm very happy for you It's not easy! I guess the conventional worked for you, and that's awesome! But, you wouldn't have known going to a doctor wouldn't work unless you didn't go in the first place! There is no wrong that can be done in at least getting yourself checked out, especially when there's a possibility the alternative is the unthinkable. Going to a doctor might not work for everybody, but it work's for allot of people!!! And that is just the truth. What may not work for you, will work for many others. I understand that there is a vice versa on that, but if things are getting this bad, what does you have to lose? There is a better chance of it working than if he ignores it. Edited by lucrowe, Oct 14 2014, 01:35 AM.
	"I'm not in it for the money, I'm rapping to be relevant, Spittin' for the hell of it to get me in my element and stomp whack rappers like an elephant... I'm the celebrant delegate spittin' elegant benevolence" - Lucrowe MC. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Lucrowe-MC/661247567303948?ref=bookmarks Str8 Outta Namek, A Crazy Mutha Fka Named Lucrowe


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