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What classifies as "rape?"
Topic Started: Oct 10 2014, 04:34 AM (1,493 Views)
Buuberries Oct 11 2014, 03:10 AM Post #16
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In other words, it's your fault that you got that sh*tfaced to begin with. Why should someone else be held accountable for your own inability to control the behavior that got you into that state in the first place?
gotta agree w/ ninjaneer. the issue is that somebody is violating another person's body. it doesnt matter if theyre dressed provocatively or smashed out their face -- the point is they're not consenting, or lack the ability to consent at that time, so it's considered rape. the victim shouldn't be blamed at all. the person doing the raping is the one that can't exercise self-control.

i mean you might as well say it's my fault for using public transport if i happen to get blown up my a terrorist on a bus tomorrow.
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* Ketchup Revenge Oct 11 2014, 03:13 AM Post #17
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 ^I agree Buu, but that's not what I was referring to. I was referring to both parties being drunk and consenting to having sex. It's completely different when it's one's drunk, and one's not.
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Oct 11 2014, 12:56 AM
Ketchup Revenge
Oct 10 2014, 09:44 PM
The issue with this whole consent thing is that it's extremely informal.
There's no third party to keep track of what is "consensual" and what isn't, therefore any university that employs the tactic can't actually regulate it.

Both parties being drunk constituting as "rape" to me is simply deflecting from the real problem entirely.
The real problem is people allowing themselves to get so drunk to the point where they find themselves incapable of making self-aware decisions.
It seems to me that "agreeing" with this in anyway is simply rewarding a person's lack of self-control with a means of claiming them as the ones being victimized.

In other words, it's your fault that you got that sh*tfaced to begin with. Why should someone else be held accountable for your own inability to control the behavior that got you into that state in the first place?

It's completely different if one person is drunk, and the other isn't. The one who isn't obviously doesn't care about your consent, therefore I do believe that they should be held accountable. I understand that it's not their responsibility to babysit drunks, but they actually have the sense of mind to say no.
If it's a drunk guy with a sober girl, than that's where it gets dicey. I'm not trying to hold a double standard, but it has to be addressed that men are generally more physically imposing than women, not only that, but they have invasive body parts that play a key role in sex.

Would that be considered rape? Probably.
It's a bit difficult to have sex with a guy if he's not aroused, even though most cases of men being raped usually involves anal sex.
I can't tell if you pointed this out or not, even after reading your post like 4 times, but I just wanted to say this.

People shouldn't be afraid of being raped every time they are interested in getting s*** faced. People should be able to choose to get s*** faced without other consequences that follow rape. So who does that start with to ensure that such a thing doesn't occur?
I apologize. My posts are indeed really wordy sometimes.

So the issue I was pointing out is the main problem is lack of self control when it comes to the behavior that lead you to getting that drunk in the first place. And it's not really "rape" if both of you consent (while both are drunk), regardless of how drunk you are when you make the choice.

You may regret it in the morning, but the real problem is that you allowed yourself to get that intoxicated, therefore any of the choices that you make during that time aren't anyone's fault but your own.
Of course, it's completely different if one person is sober, and the other is drunk.

So yes, people should be able to get sh*tfaced without worrying about being raped, but if both of the people who are having sex consent and are both drunk, then it's not really "rape".

The issue is that if people agree that two drunk people having consensual sex is "rape", than that's essentially saying that you shouldn't be held accountable for your own actions while drunk.
I think you should be held accountable because you're the one who allowed yourself to get that drunk in the first place. You have no one to blame but yourself.

The issue is that these girls were getting sh*tfaced, and then having consensual sex with a guy who was equally sh*tfaced, but then turning around in the morning and claiming the guy raped her.

That's just the girls not wanting to exercise self-control, and not wanting to take responsibility for their own actions.

But if you want to get technical, being sober and having sex with someone who is drunk is probably immoral to a degree, but the drunk person allowed themselves to get that drunk to begin with.
If you don't want to be victimized, don't deliberately make poor choices that will allow you to be more easily victimized.

The over-all point that I'm trying to make is people need to learn to drink responsibly. And when I say "drink responsibly", what I mean is that people need to make smart decisions about getting drunk before they even get drunk. Use a buddy system, don't drive, and don't get so wasted that you can't tell your a** from your elbow.
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+ Steve Oct 11 2014, 11:43 AM Post #18
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Ketchup Revenge
Oct 11 2014, 03:13 AM
The over-all point that I'm trying to make is people need to learn to drink responsibly. And when I say "drink responsibly", what I mean is that people need to make smart decisions about getting drunk before they even get drunk. Use a buddy system, don't drive, and don't get so wasted that you can't tell your a** from your elbow.
Yeah exactly, if people want to get s*** faced they should try be smart about it beforehand, don't get s*** faced at some party where you only know a small group of people or at a club where any weirdo could spike your drink or whatever.

Being drunk is such a poor excuse for mistakes, you still have the ability to make choices while drunk, you don't suddenly forget that driving under the influence is illegal for example but people still do it often.

Of course it'd be a lot easier to rape someone who's completely wasted but that doesn't mean every drunk sex should qualify as rape does it? Drunk people wouldn't have sex if they didn't want it, maybe the alcohol made them not care who it was with but it's still a choice they made, still consent though perhaps not 100% informed due to beer goggles.


The drunk person isn't always to blame though the rapist might have had it in their head that they were going to rape someone anyway, sure the victim might have fought them off a bit better while sober or realized they were a bit creepy but it's not their fault the person stooped so low as to truly force them in to it.
And in a non forceful situation they might be more suggestible but they're still very much in control.
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olliebalollie Oct 21 2014, 05:07 AM Post #19
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No... me and girlfriend are engaged, and we don't need to ask for permission. We do naughty things to each other when the other person is sleeping. So we don't sleep.


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I never had sex with a drunk girl/woman.


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Strongly disagree! If a husband can r@P his wife, then a drunk that forces him self on a drunk girl/woman should be punished.


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The first thing I'll do is test Jennifer to see if she really is in a uncomfortable situation. If I was with my girlfriend, I'll explain it to her, she can play along and distract Tom, by starting a conversation with Jennifer and try to get Jennifer away from Tom. Once that is achieve, I can play my part and test Tom out to see what is his deal. Like I've said earlier, this would be a test, if Jennifer is really into Tom, but doesn't like what his doing and feel like his going too fast, then she might say something to my decoy - girlfriend.

Now if I'm alone, I might played the decoy and ask if Jennifer wants to dance or if I could buy her a drink. Now if she's all uncomfortable and wants Tom to stop but she's shy or scared to say something, this might be a good opportunity to make a scene. Why? Because if I ask Jennifer to dance or if I could buy a drink, I'm already offending Tom, and if Jennifer likes him, she'll defend Tom and say "no thank you, I'm with someone". And if the situation is like you described, Jennifer being uncomfortable and Tom doing unappropriated things, I can get Tom to get physical with me and then I just knock him unconscious and call the police.


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Strongly agree.


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