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Scotland votes no to independence.
Topic Started: Sep 19 2014, 05:00 AM (900 Views)
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After years of debate and finally a referendum, the Scottish people have spoken and the country will remain part of the UK for the time being with the British government saying that they will begin discussions on how to give Scotland more power. Average voter turn out of 84% is fantastic with about 55% of the vote being for a no to independence.

You can see the full results of the election on the BBC's website but basically most of the Scottish councils voted no.

I have to say that I'm happy about this. Whilst I would love for Scotland to be an independent nation, I do not believe that as of right now they have the resources or leadership to survive as a first world nation. It was the correct result in my opinion but I think that independence does need to happen in the not too distant future. Perhaps when they have a stronger financial sector? If the British government awards them more freedom then this will probably be more achievable one day. But now is not the right time.

Oh and it's great that we didn't need to have a war over this. If only this could have happened with Ireland many decades ago. But then that subject is probably a big can of worms and of course it's an entirely different situation both politically, historically and socially.



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Probably, for the best.
I think this is the best thing that could've happened for Scotland, don't think they could've handled independence. But a close vote is a proper warning to the UK to give Scotland some more power.
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Percentage wise, it's a pretty decisive majority, higher than what opinion polls were showing and there is still one result still to declare. There are also 10 votes in Glasgow which will be isolated, due to fraud in some polling stations. But overall, common sense prevails.
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Sep 19 2014, 07:09 AM
Percentage wise, it's a pretty decisive majority, higher than what opinion polls were showing and there is still one result still to declare. There are also 10 votes in Glasgow which will be isolated, due to fraud in some polling stations. But overall, common sense prevails.
I wouldn't say 47% 53% is that decisive.


I never voted but I'd like to have seen us go independent just to see what we do with it. We probably didn't because not everyone voted for a real reason.

Such as "I like my life the way it is since I'm middle class, why should I think of how low class people think" or "I don't like Alex Salmond"
As well as that Yes campaigners were the more annoying bunch they probably put a lot of people off, there are YES signs everywhere in my town some people have like 10 on their house and there might be a few NO signs on streelights.
Or maybe there were more NO signs but they got ripped down, can see that happening.


Anyway yeah I think we should go independent relatively soon our financial issues might be solved by those oil fields.

Probably going to be a lot of fighting in my town tonight >.>
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It was 55% / 45% :)
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Doesn't really affect me but I watched a debate on CSPAN. I would have wanted to be independent
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Independence is nice in principle but I believe in Scotland's case it would have caused them potential long term harm. A lot of places there are poor enough as it is. The last thing they need is economic instability for principle's sake. The government needs to ween them off the teet a bit more before it can happen.


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From what I've heard, Scotland pays England 10 million (or billion?) pounds a year for being in the UK, and it's not refunded. It's not like being dependent is a cure all for them. There was actual economic reasons that near half of the people wanted independence.
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I think this is still bad though there's a huuuuge rift between the people now, look at Glasgow.


People in this country are expert grudge holders and no voters "Aren't real Scotsmen!" Can probably expect a lot of "What did you vote for!?" Questions upon entering oubs etc and fights if giving the wrong answer.

This is the failing of voting/democracy, misinformed people shouldn't have a say nobody should have had the right to decide if we split because "I don't like England" etc ut's just dumb the opinion of the masses isn't valid because there are more of them >.>

Really surprised about the vote though, Yes signs are freaking everywhere.



Also apparently it was rigged because there's a few clips of people putting yes votes in no piles...
Because they just look at the bigger pile and pick that one, right? It's not like anyone counts them what sense does that make...
Or is it that people are sore losers...? Hmm, puzzling.
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I think this is still bad though there's a huuuuge rift between the people now, look at Glasgow.
not sure what you mean by that so i might be misterpreting, but i dont think that has anything to do w/ independence being rejected. if the vote had gone the other way then i'm p sure there'd still be a rift between ppl.

i just think the whole issue was over identity; patriotism clouded ppl's judgment so they ignored or just didnt understand the consequences.
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I think this is still bad though there's a huuuuge rift between the people now, look at Glasgow.
not sure what you mean by that so i might be misterpreting, but i dont think that has anything to do w/ independence being rejected. if the vote had gone the other way then i'm p sure there'd still be a rift between ppl.

i just think the whole issue was over identity; patriotism clouded ppl's judgment so they ignored or just didnt understand the consequences.
Well the no vote is worse because the yes voters are more...I dunno, can't think of a suitable word, not violent but aggressive?

Most people going yes did so because they're not happy with their situation whereas no voters are and if it changed for the latter nothing really bad would happen so no voters get to keep comfortable lives either way really, for the most part.

People on my Facebook seem ridiculously upset over it, it's in the past why can't people just leave it at that.


Apparently like 63% of over 55's that voted went for no so people are saying it's their fault. If that's legit that's not a statistic that should have been made public hopefully people don't go taking their frustration out on old people...
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which side are u going to join if there's a civil war??????
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Sept 19 (Reuters) - For the past few weeks, as Scotland debated the wisdom of independence, Reuters has been asking Americans how they would feel about declaring independence today, not from the United Kingdom, but from the mother country they left England to create. The exact wording of the question was, "Do you support or oppose the idea of your state peacefully withdrawing from the United States of America and the federal government?"
It was hard to imagine many people would support secession. Forget the fact that the cautionary lesson of the Civil War is top of mind for many people as we commemorate its 150th anniversary; just in terms of dollars and cents, who in their right minds would give up all the money they've already paid into the Social Security and Medicare systems? Besides, most states get more back from the federal government than they put in.
Then the results came in. You can see them for yourself here, and you can filter them any way you want - by age, region, income, party affiliation, etc. Any way you slice it, the data are startlingly clear: Almost a quarter (24 percent) of those surveyed said they were strongly or provisionally inclined to leave the United States. And take their states with them. Given the polling sample - about 8,600 people so far - the online survey's credibility interval (which is digital for "margin of error") was only 1.2 percentage points, so there is no question that that is what they said.
Secession got more support from Republicans than Democrats, more from right- than left-leaning independents, more from younger than older people, more from lower- than higher-income brackets, more from high school than college grads. But there was a surprising amount of support in every group and region, especially the Rocky Mountain states, the Southwest and the old Confederacy, but also in places like Illinois and Kansas. And of the people who said they identified with the Tea Party, supporters of secession were actually in the majority, with 53 percent.

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-2762264/One-four-Americans-want-state-secede-why.html
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Sep 20 2014, 03:26 AM
From what I've heard, Scotland pays England 10 million (or billion?) pounds a year for being in the UK, and it's not refunded. It's not like being dependent is a cure all for them. There was actual economic reasons that near half of the people wanted independence.
Nope.

Scotland end up better off per head than England or Wales, ~£10 is spent on Scottish citizens per head, while just around £8 for England, Wales (Ireland gets about £10 per head too), there is also the Barnett formula, which is very favourable to the Scottish. Note that the population of Yorkshire is around the same as Scotland, the Scots are by no means oppressed by the English, in fact we get a worse deal out of Scotland staying ;)

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Sep 20 2014, 04:02 AM
Apparently like 63% of over 55's that voted went for no so people are saying it's their fault. If that's legit that's not a statistic that should have been made public hopefully people don't go taking their frustration out on old people...


People are also blaming the English and the BBC....
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