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Is life harder if you aren't white?
Topic Started: Sep 15 2014, 10:30 PM (2,089 Views)
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I've heard this a few times but apparently people who don't have white skin tend to find life more difficult and frustrating. How much truth is there to this?


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Really depends on where you live. I know even despite laws no longer being racially biased, there still is a social disadvantage minorities may have. Awful stereotypes are still widespread. I myself am a reserved person and I guess articulate. People have often told me (whites in particular) I am not like the "others" or act "white". And many black men still are profiled and the stop-and-frisk laws don't help with this: http://www.nyclu.org/issues/racial-justice/stop-and-frisk-practices

Like that said I live in suburban Massachusetts and haven't experienced any serious racism. So I guess I don't have much to complain about since pretty much every ethnic group gets along. My experience might be different from a black living in the inner city of Boston or in notoriously racist state such as Mississippi.
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Non-white people have a way easier time getting into university in the US.
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IIRC you Pelador are British correct? So things there may be a lot different in terms of how race and color is viewed both socially, physically, mentally and economically than it is here in the USA. Yes, whites as far as the USA goes has it much easier. Is it always the case? No, of course not. But even ignoring the whole issues we had to to go through such as slavery, the civil rights and all that, some of which is still prevalent here, its easy to see how non-whites seem to have it difficult.

Look at the poverty rate, look at supposed crime rates, look at how the minority rate such as Hispanics, Black Americans, etc. and how negatively affected they are by social standards in the USA. Are there some white people who have it tougher than say black people, of course. But you know that negativity is heavily skewed in the minority's direction.

Not to speak of other countries, but as far as the USA goes, whites have never had this problem. There's never been a known case that I've heard of where a black person told a white person. "You f***ing cracker, get your a*** back at the front of the bus where it belongs!" No of course not, whites have never had to deal with that. They've never had to deal with the same level of discrimination, subjugation, segregation, prejudice, social injustice, economical injustice, etc that minority has had.

So yes, this is a truth. It's a lot harder for people who aren't white, especially in places like the USA.
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From the very little I understand about how it is in the UK, minorities do have it somewhat better in a lot of ways than other countries. However there's a racist under current that always seems to be there. Basically what I figure is that they are judged a lot more than white people. Like if you are in a clothes shop, the white security guard might spend more time watching you than he would a white person. Or a white school teacher might assume that you will behave a certain way. Then there's the looks you get from people on public transport or in the supermarket. Then there's airports. I feel so sorry for anyone of colour at the airport.


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Non-white people have a way easier time getting into university in the US.
I think it's worth noting more whites get into college because they've had an easier path (NOT ALL OF THEM. JUST SPEAKING IN GENERAL) and a lot colleges are want a more culturally diverse atmosphere. So if a female with Mexican descent and a white male have the same grades they'll take the black girl because they assumed she had a rougher path and of course they want the diversity.

So I guess in that aspect minorities who succeed in school have somewhat of an advantage when it comes to enrollment but that's only a minor aspect.
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Non-white people have a way easier time getting into university in the US.
I think it's worth noting more whites get into college because they've had an easier path (NOT ALL OF THEM. JUST SPEAKING IN GENERAL) and a lot colleges are want a more culturally diverse atmosphere. So if a female with Mexican descent and a white male have the same grades they'll take the black girl because they assumed she had a rougher path and of course they want the diversity.

So I guess in that aspect minorities who succeed in school have somewhat of an advantage when it comes to enrollment but that's only a minor aspect.
Its not because they think they had a rougher path, that's ridiculous. Its basically "forced fairness," they have a certain quota of racial minorities that they need to have at the school to not be considered racist.
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Non-white people have a way easier time getting into university in the US.
I think it's worth noting more whites get into college because they've had an easier path (NOT ALL OF THEM. JUST SPEAKING IN GENERAL) and a lot colleges are want a more culturally diverse atmosphere. So if a female with Mexican descent and a white male have the same grades they'll take the black girl because they assumed she had a rougher path and of course they want the diversity.

So I guess in that aspect minorities who succeed in school have somewhat of an advantage when it comes to enrollment but that's only a minor aspect.
Its not because they think they had a rougher path, that's ridiculous. Its basically "forced fairness," they have a certain quota of racial minorities that they need to have at the school to not be considered racist.
No actually that is the idea behind why they're given special preference in the modern age (earlier it was to force diversity force schools that didn't want to diversify all white education).

I don't see why it couldn't be done based on income instead of race now.

There's the whole "pro diversity" idea which I don't really buy into. Get the job/school placement to the one who worked the hardest and achieved the most.

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Lyndon Johnson's affirmative action first proposed during the Truman administration. Took that long to get passed.

Under Roosevelt there was legislation passed like this based on income. Way back in 1935. It protected people in unions from being discriminated against too.
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Non-white people have a way easier time getting into university in the US.
I think it's worth noting more whites get into college because they've had an easier path (NOT ALL OF THEM. JUST SPEAKING IN GENERAL) and a lot colleges are want a more culturally diverse atmosphere. So if a female with Mexican descent and a white male have the same grades they'll take the black girl because they assumed she had a rougher path and of course they want the diversity.

So I guess in that aspect minorities who succeed in school have somewhat of an advantage when it comes to enrollment but that's only a minor aspect.
Its not because they think they had a rougher path, that's ridiculous. Its basically "forced fairness," they have a certain quota of racial minorities that they need to have at the school to not be considered racist.
No actually that is the idea behind why they're given special preference in the modern age (earlier it was to force diversity force schools that didn't want to diversify all white education).

I don't see why it couldn't be done based on income instead of race now.

There's the whole "pro diversity" idea which I don't really buy into. Get the job/school placement to the one who worked the hardest and achieved the most.
That's how it started, sure, but that isn't what I mean. Reaching a quota is how it works now.
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That's true, at least for employers.
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We're so hung up on this notion that we have some obligation to help the struggling black man, you know. Cut him some slack until he can overcome these historical injustices. It's crap. I mean, Christ, Lincoln freed the slaves, like, what? 130 years ago. How long does it take to get your act together?

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All this stuff about making everything "equal..." it's not that simple. Now you've got this book "Native Son." What happened to the other books in the course? They're not good anymore because Mr. Two Ph.Ds says so? Now you got to trade great books for black books? Does that make sense? You gotta question these things, Der. You gotta look at the whole picture. We're talking about books...but we're also talking about my job. I've got two black guys on my squad now who got their job over a couple of white guys who actually scored higher on the test. Does that make sense? Everything's "equal" now, but I've got two guys watching my back...responsible for my life...who aren't as good. They only got the job because they were black, not because they were the best.

I agree with the basics of this.

@OP: Depends on where you are and how non-white you are. From experience, the darker you are the more likely you are to be treated differently, whether that's good or bad. I haven't been in the police business all that long, but it doesn't seem to matter whether you're white or black once you've got the cuffs on ya.
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It is in the United States, that's for sure.
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Due to years and years of oppression, white men have it the easiest in life. Anyone who isn't white, male, or heterosexual in America is going to face some difficulties.
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And white, hetero men face difficulties exactly because of that.

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Not really.

If you're talking about scholarships, there are scholarships for everything and everyone. It's hard for anyone to get into college. I was never once given a scholarship because I'm a woman, and I've never known anyone who's been given a scholarship based on their gender or race. Most scholarships are based on academic merit or community service. I'm going to need some very strong sources to believe otherwise.

Give me examples of why it's so hard to be a white, straight male in America. Plz.
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