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| The Great DBGT Watch; Watching DBGT Super 17 Saga and Dragon Saga first time! | |
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| Mr.Zenkai | Sep 26 2014, 03:26 AM Post #31 |
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I just finished watching GT all over again for the 3rd time, it surprising gets better and you catch on to a lot more things you didn't the second time around. Now I'm onto the movies of DBZ again! Finished movie 9 right now, and I've probably seen that the least times of all the movies! |
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| + QueenTD | Oct 5 2014, 03:53 AM Post #32 |
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I'm sorry that this episode isn't as detailed as the other two. I was actually going to review two Dragonball GT episodes, however I felt Episode 42 was so bad that I honestly as hard as I tried I could not find any positives. Believe me, I refused to allow anyone to influence their GT hate apon myself. I sincerely apologize for how rude, snobby, and unprofessional this review is going to sound. I admit GT before this episode was a great show in my opinion. Just look at my Hero's Legacy review. I was fond of GT. Within one episode of this saga, EVERYTHING changed. The plot holes began to appear more noticeable and the story itself was unpleasant. I admire Toei's effort of making a Db series without a manga to go off of. I thought Toei was doing an outstanding job with movies and specials. Even GT was doing incredible until this episode. I once again am very sorry for my negative tones. I promise I do not rant often and I don't complain. But serious Toei? Did they forget the entire franchise while producing this episode? They written better filler episodes than this. The next episode preview didn't look good either. Let's review. Basic info: English Dub w/ subtitles and original BGM I'm using the GT box set. 1 episode a week for Super 17 and 2 episode a week for the Dragons! So I've only done one review before so I probably going be bad at it. Let's begin! Episode 42: A Dangerous Union For starters I'll like to say sorry for no review last week. Had to catch up to Doctor Who and I worked at my job. I was going to do two reviews but this episode was done poorly. It starts off with Goku, Bulma, Gohan, Videl, Bulla(Bra in subs.), Pan, acan fiction having a meal. Nice scene, found it fun to watch. I like seeing our warriors live normal. Pan worries that Trunks is missing. Is this the cause of PanxTrunks fans? I've seen that in so many fanfictions. Just wondering if that's the cause of it. I don't enjoy pairing anime characters. But if I had to, I would pair Pan up with Beerus. Why? Because no one else had the idea. :P. Trunks comes in and faints. Not a plot hole but why didn't he fly to Corin the cat or Dende? Behind the door is a black hole filled with evil. We see 17 for the first time since Z. Wonder why he doesn't visit his sister often. That's a Z question though, no fault of Toei. He doesn't appear in BoG either. Onto hell. Db hell. Here comes angry Tinesha. Hell is a bad place. Right? Serious question as even in Z filler Hell was a pretty awful place. So why do they technology to build an exact replica of 17? I don't know if subs mentioned this but the dub didn't. Why did they chose 17? If you can make a 17 copy then why not create something better or even an army? Wouldn't matter since the Z fighters are strong as steroided cows but it seems more logical. My second issue is if Heaven is strong fighters training. Then how come Hell is not only the same but Hell seems to have less restrictions and more capabilities. I hope that isn't the case with Goku vs Cell and Freeza. I really hope Goku don't squash them like they're ants. But I can see Freeza being stronger and having more advantages than Goku BUT Goku still stomp them. Everyone panics about the hole. If this was 2014 in real life everyone would be Vine, Tweeting, and Iging about "black hole in sky. Someone call 911". Trunks wakes up. He apprantly got knocked out so badly he made plot holes. In the dub he recognize him as 17. So 17 did visit his "family". Good for him. Then I read the subtitles and online summaries of Trunks saying that 17 has similar ki. How do you make a mistake like this? Half of the Android Saga was searching for Gero because lack of ki. We see 17 and Piccolo explain the infinite energy source. I'm shaking my head. I'm sorry guys. I'm being a loud mouth nerd ranting on the internet. But you do not make like mistakes this. Does NBA allow you to score touchdowns!? Not a good comparison but you got the message. Goku goes to hell because 17 tells him that Earth will be taken over by everyone in Hell. So what? Who in Hell is capable of beating Z wwarriors? Rildo? Rildo can be beaten by Goku SSJ4 or Majuub (Who is... still Uub in subs). I would say Mystic Gohan but sadly I've seen their fight on YouTube years ago. I'll skip to the end. Everyone beats up a bad guy. Goku encounter Freeza and Cell who has power up. From spoilers from another thread I know the results. But how? I'm worried to see. I don't care that Goku won. But... I'm really hoping it's not a Goku vs Reccoome, Juice, or Burter. And roll credits Notes: Prince I see what you mean by Fusion reborn rip off. But that movie was actually good. This is the only fight Goten wins against a super mutant or human. Unless one counts team effort. Where's Vegeta Where's Uub. Wasn't he supposed to be Goku's replacement? I don't mind Goku being the protagonist but why is Dr.Myuu seen more than Uub? I normally do grades but this gets a soild D. I'm too nice for E's. I really hope Toei steps their game up next episode. I admire effort but when you're not putting out. I can't appreciate you. Sorry for being harsh. I hope I wasn't rude or offensive. |
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| Master Gohan | Oct 5 2014, 06:50 AM Post #33 |
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No need to apologize to writers of DBGT
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| + QueenTD | Oct 5 2014, 08:00 PM Post #34 |
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My Dear Melancholy,
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I apologized because I sounded rude and mean. I don't like being negative. |
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| Pylons | Oct 6 2014, 11:06 AM Post #35 |
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What were your thoughts on the episodes where Goku fights Ledgic? To be honest that's one of my favorite parts of the series. Best fight choreography from the show. |
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| Alex D. Boss | Oct 6 2014, 11:08 AM Post #36 |
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The best scene of GT was: Vegeta transforming into a Golden Oozaru and holding Goku saying: "Hehehe, I'm the prince of all Saiyans , Kakarot!" |
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| + QueenTD | Oct 6 2014, 07:07 PM Post #37 |
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It's the only fight in GT so far that felt like a big deal. The irony is that's it's a small fight. |
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| + QueenTD | Oct 12 2014, 09:14 PM Post #38 |
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This review will be not as detailed and long as the other ones. Practically nothing happens in this episode and in turn nothing to talk about. Sorry. However my rant will probably be very long. So let's review this very boring episode. How do you dip in quality and writing within 3 episodes? I was a huge DBGT supporter...until this saga. Toei I love your work on every anime you've produced. But how can you write so inconsistently? I didn't think it was possible. Basic info: English Dub w/ subtitles and original BGM I'm using the GT box set. 1 episode a week for Super 17 and 2 episode a week for the Dragons! So I've only done one review before so I probably going be bad at it. Let's begin! Episode 43: Cell aand Freeza return Okay, Cell looked perfectly fine the previous episode. Why does hr look so deformed? He was a beatiful creature before. Now he's a monster. Someone on this forum has a signature of "Don't be ugly but be a beatiful monkey". What if you're a ugly monkey? Seriously what's going on with the animation. I'm sure it took days to do it but sadly it's so out of place. The animation reminded me of Yu Yu Hakasho. Everyone didn't look like they was in DB. They appeared to be in the wrong anime. Vegeta looked like he's cosplaying as himself and failed. I'm normally not the one to be negative or complain so my apologies if I'm coming off as a whiny b***. But I've written about a paragraph worth of writing and I still didn't talk about the summary of the episode. The only characters that looked normal were Goten, Trunks, Uub/Majuub, Pan, and Gohan. At this point Toei been drawing and animating DB for almost ten years. You don't make mistakes like this. Onto Fusion Reborn... My bad. I'm thinking of something that was actually GOOD. Onto this episode. Freeza and Cell taught Goku. Cell was never an idiot. Can't he sense when he's outmatced? You would think he can teach Freeza the concept of Ki and how to sense energy. If they're partners in crime after all. I'll talk more about it later. Goku powers up with a SSJ like aura. I actually would prefer if it was white. Looks much cooler but yellow kicks butt too. Cell and Freeza stand in fear because the rocks moved. Powering up was never consitant so I'll give it a pass. Goku was stated to lack control of his power. Very interesting. To bad it's irrelevant to the current plot and the rest of the series. It's only relevant when he used instant transport. So why bring it up when it'll never be mentioned again in the episode. I've seen some parts of Shadow Dragons saga and it wasn't mentioned. So I'm assuming the statement was pointless. I want to talk about this so I'll make a thread about it later. Cell attacks Goku with a Special Beam. Goku laughs and call him a copycat. Great job reminding the fans that Cell have other fighters' DNA. One of few pros in this episode. Freeza does a Destructo Disk. Now Goku said he stole that. Vegeta, Goku, and various other characters have done s similar or variation of the Disk. King Kai confirmed Freeza didn't know the Krillin's Disk attack but it was his own ki disk. I've never seen this pointed out as a plot hole. So am I the first to discover it? Back on Earth (Rant warning)... we see Fusion Reborn but awful. Toei obvious chose what's "canon" in GT as they contradict the anime, the manga, and in a matter of one episode themselves. So if they chose what's canon then why out of all the filler villains, the manga villains, and movie villains did they chose the most boring set of bad guys. The only cool one was Cooler and he only made a cameo! Let's list the bad guys from fusion reborn please. I'm ranting which makes myself angry because I'm bashing someone's hard work. "Fusion Reborn" Now compare that to this episode's villain. I don't need a spoiler for this. Yakon, Pui, 19, Nappa, Red Ribbon, Zarbon, Dodira. Cooler, and MILLIONS of Saibamen. Yes the Z fighters are in such a panic. Did they rush this saga!? In 4 seconds I made two better ideas. Have Cell and Freeza on Earth as they're the only one who got a pair and have Goku fight Broly in Hell. Toei loves Broly according to anti Broly (I love Broly. He's an awesome beast) fans. Hax Broly to match GT Goku SSJ form. Broly is in hell according to Bio Broly. Or have Goku face all the villains in Hell and send Broly, Rild, and Cell to Earth. Anything but what they gave us. Trunks and Goten were scared to fight Saibamen because of numbers. Trunks in the last episode sensed a Cyborg/Android/Machine Human. But now he can't sense Saibamen? No one can sense anymore cept Goku. I almost turnt this episode off. Here's another pro though. Vegeta vs Nappa was awesome to see. Nappa didn't have dialog though. Which sucked. The one time I want the dub to be inaccurate. They screw up. I need a chill pill. I'm normally very polite. Next we see...wait. Sorry let's sidetrack. If Goten and Trunks were scared to fight. What happened to Gotenks. Gotenks would never be scared! Now let's talk about Rild vs Gohan. Oh wait we can't. We didn't see none of the fight. Back to Goku vs CellZer. Team CellZer. That's a pretty awesome name. Goku kills both of them in a rehash of their previous defeats. But they can't die. But..but Goku said if you die while you're dead you cease to exist! Toei really chose what they wanted to be in their own personal canon. Who supervised this? Cell takes Goku into his butt and absorbs him. That was cool. I'll admit it took me by shocked that he actually for a short while had Goku SSJ4 power. Next Freeza and Cell does something very interesting but not exactly something you expect DB characters to do. They do some black magic that takes Goku to the three stages of torture. This makes Goku frozen. And finally after wasting 21:33 my Saturday evening we get to the only part of the episode that's important. Nothing else in this episode was important nor should had happened. Yes the entire episode should had been built around 17 and 18. 17 starts to control 18 after a brief back and fourth. Instead of centering around this for at least 15 minutes we instead got a rushed verison which lasted 15sec to 1 minute. Same the important stuff until the end I guess. Horrible writing. Just a waste of time. Predictable result. But predictable isn't bad. Not bad at all actually. It's better to be predictable than being random because you feel like it. So here's what I think is happening. - Maron and Krillin dies - Krillin dies only. Coming from Baby saga it's stupid writing to have another character be controlled. So 18 will not be controlled. If she is I'm going to drop the series. The episode ends with Saibamen being killed. Because they take so long to kill. Majuub is Uub and Buu but the Saibamen aren't far behind in terms of power. This saga is a parody of itself. That's the worst thing I've ever said about an anime. Notes: Cell made Freeza look like an idiot. "You used to be the universe's most feared ruler. Now you'll nothing but a slouch". Freeza name is based on a Freezer and he still needs some ice for that burn. If Cell can teach Freeza black magic then why can't Cell teach Freeza how to sense? I Google GT Gotenks and found DB heroes. Not a good sign. Is it me or the music for both English and Original (save the opening) are boring and has no memorable tracks. If Toei chose their own canon then is it pointless to use anything that only involved Toei in terms of plot in our own canons or universes? If Cell is in hell then why Gero didn't make a stronger version of him? How the hell(Puns are great) did they make Hell 17 while in hell? Technology in hell but heaven only has Clouds? Grades: Plot-F Animation-D+ Music-Nothing Characters- C for Cell. Fighting - C Goku spinning on the disk and spinning the hell power pole - A+ Overall- F+ or D- I like to apologize for my rant. I shouldn't bash as I'm not a perfect writer. It's just I love anime and this is the first time I feel like I don't like an anime. I'm hoping it's just a bad saga as the first two sagas were alot of fun to watch. |
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| Pylons | Oct 12 2014, 10:01 PM Post #39 |
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In my opinion the saga gets better toward the end but it's way too short though I think it's because the writers didn't know what to do after a certain point after introducing the main villain. The fights are interesting but they don't make much sense in terms of power levels.
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| TheACE | Oct 12 2014, 11:19 PM Post #40 |
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| + QueenTD | Oct 25 2014, 09:45 PM Post #41 |
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A MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better episode of DBGT today. Sadly comparing the previous episode to the episode 44 isn't much of a comparasion. This episode still wasn't anything worthwile. Toei tried their hardest but I'm sure they're only good with movie ideas but not a full series. Just imagine if we've gotten Baby instead of Beerus. I'm probably in the minority but please don't bully me for this. I prefer the moment Baby debut to Baby's defeat over Battle of Gods. I loved Battle of Gods however DBGT in its prime (Baby Saga and Hero Legacy) is more enjoyable quite frankly. Battle of Gods have the edge in movie experience. After rewatching BoG, alot of the enjoyment was due to being in a packed full crowd watching one of the greatest anime in history. Now that I rambled on. Let's get onto the episode review. Though I do have an announcement at the end. Basic info: English Dub w/ subtitles and original BGM I'm using the GT box set. 1 episode a week for Super 17 and 2 episode a week for the Dragons! So I've only done one review before so I probably going be bad at it. Let's begin! Episode 44: 17 times 2 I'm no math expert, but 17 times Two is a weird title. It's 34..so why is it(or He?) not Super 34? Twice the name but a different game? Double the power? Double flawless. Cause it's sure ain't double the quality of the plot. I still don't understand why Gero didn't just make a duplicate of Perfect Cell? He's not only stronger but he can still by GT universe absorb people and he's a better villain. The first 5 minutes was what last episode plot should of been. 17 interacting with 18. 18 almost gets controlled but Krillin stops it. All of this happen in under 5 minutes. It's as if they didn't want this saga to be awesome. No way this should had lasted 5 minutes in this episode and 1 minute last episode. It's brother and sister. It writes itself. Her brother killed her husband. I understand 17 was controlled (making it the 4th time someone was controlled in DB.)but jeez. I write a DB fan fiction and my brother vs sister program had a lot of screen time and was actually my best received episodes I've ever gotten. As I said the writing writes itself. 17 and 18 had a short brawl that needed more emotion to it. If ever a time for Toei to make their own flashbacks and give names to 17 and 18 this was it. I understand Toriyama gave them Lapis and Lapiz but that was 20 years later. Toei missed the ball here. Can you imagine if 18 right before 17 delt the knock out blow had said "....Lapiz......brother" after some childhood and DBZ flashbacks? This needed that. Instead what could have been one of the greatest moments in anime history was just 5 minutes of wasted time. Goku fights Celliza and wins. Accidentally"killing" them. That's all we should say besides Goku should had fought Broly. Gohan fights Rildo and doesn't go SSJ or mystic. Gt is really random with this. Gohan will fight in Base as if he's mystic but other times he'll go SSJ. Gohan here gets his butt smacked but still doesn't go Super. Sorry for my tone and rude attitude but if you're getting your butt kick and a bad metal arm....I think you should use Ssj. Gohan was made to be an idiot which kinda sucks. Gohan an awesome character. Majuub comes and save him. He ROFLOLOLOL stomps Rildo. Hopefully this is a sigh of Majuub gaining importance in the series. We cut away to 17 from Hell vs Vegeta. Vegeta acts unimpressed but he's losing. Typical Vegeta. By now though base Saiyans should beat up the Cyborgs correct? Goku beat Cell in base. I don't care about power levels but it's very inconsistent in not only GT but the later parts of DBZ. The gangs arrive. Z fighters and the Cyborg gang. Words exchange and then 17 fuses. Out come a long haired shiny face pointy nose and 7FT(2.13 meters) model. Eh. I've seen better looking villains. I watched this scene on YouTube and see all this flawless and sexy talk about Super 17.... Only Shang Chi deserves that praise. No other fictional characters are good looking. It's just weird IMO. I hate to judge and forgive me I mean no harm. But judging anime characters and being ultra attracted to them and watching hentai. It's just... weird. I probably offended someone so I apologize. Just weird seeing all this Super 17 love. It's a fictional character.... he's not even real. Though I understand that a lot of people joke about it. It's the usual everyone fights the big bad and fails badly. Not a lot to talk about except for two things. One is a question and someone answer it please. How strong is Ubb...and Majuub? I'm curious because Ubb should be equal to Base Goku. But the plot doesn't shows that. Then with the Majuub power up he should vastly be superior to all characters BUT Ssj4 Goku. But the plot doesn't show that. As said many times before. I don't care for power but how do I understand Ubb...Majuub character if nothing is devolped or stated. He's a body not a character. Buu was a character. My second thing is where was Gotenks? Is everyone at Toei to ashamed of characters or plots they didn't create to be superior to their own? Gotenks would be very helpful here. Even if he doesn't win. I'm not in a good mood today (lost my homecoming dance ticket so I can't turn up) so I won't rant because if I do. I'll probably tear it apart like paper. Vegeta debuts another attack called final shine attack. I've seen it in Tenkaichi and Budokai so I wasn't surprised here. I change that. I AM surprised because I thought it was SSJ4 only. Would be a good super attack for SSJ Vegeta instead of having SSJ Vegeta having Final Flash as a Super while Super Vegeta and Ssj2 have FF as a ultimate. It's revealed 17 can absorb energy. As if we needed a reason for him becoming stronger than SSJ4 Goku. I'm not stupid, Goku going to do a SSJ4 kamehamha and he'll eat it with his chest. Nice try Toei. Android 19 already did that. Goku watches from hell. Dragonballs crack (NICE foreshadowing). King Yema panics . Piccolo is sent to hell. Piccolo is going to do ancient Namek powers to save Goku. And I'm done talking about this episode. Notes: Vegeta has become such a minor character in GT it's not even funny. Saddens my soul. Even in DBGT prime Vegeta was minor. That sucks. Sad Face :(. If Vegeta gets a body in a special occasion why can't Piccolo go to hell in this special occasion? This is the only saga I can understand hate on. The other three (if Tenkaichi 2 story for Dragon saga is accurate) don't deserve it IMHO. If Toei chose their own canon then is it pointless to use anything that only involved Toei in terms of plot in our own canons or universes? (I'm going to make a thread about this). Grades: Plot-D Animation-A Music-Nothing Characters- D for Dummies Fighting - D Overall- C- My announcement is that next week I'm doing a special Fusion Reborn review. Seeing as I'm watching the same thing with the current Saga why not review the better material? I'm also going to make a fanfiction episode of GT using Budokai and Tenkaichi 3 sometime in December or January. It's how I think this saga should go. I'll post it here when it's done. It'll be two episodes and guess who it's about. 17 and 18. So look forward to that. |
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| Alex D. Boss | Oct 26 2014, 06:56 PM Post #42 |
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The S17 arc was so short lol. That was a huge mistake of Toei, nvm.. |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Oct 26 2014, 07:54 PM Post #43 |
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| + QueenTD | Oct 26 2014, 08:20 PM Post #44 |
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I think Toei was running low on ideas for a "filler" saga. A cool down saga if you will. This Saga has been very dissapointing to me. |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Oct 26 2014, 08:24 PM Post #45 |
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I liked the Super 17 Arc in general, i just dontl like the fact Super 17 is so damn powerful and came out of nowere, it was still enjoyable and fun to watch though. |
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