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Star Wars: Rebels
Topic Started: Sep 11 2014, 07:39 PM (1,330 Views)
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The Last GT Fighter

Because Disney/Lucas Arts have ended the Clone Wars series (Prematurely I may add because there were at least three unresolved plot lines, the Espeically glaring one being the Maul Brothers still apparently wandering around the Galaxy doing nothing of interest, grrr!) they're rushing into this whole Rebels production. So we get a crew of heroes that are kinda similar to the originally trilogy Falcon crew, and it's a whole throw back thing and blah-blah-blah. It looks alright, and I'm sure once it picks up steam it'll be good just like the Clone Wars was.

That being said, it's set just a few years before the Battle of Yavin, so it's in that story rich period between Revenge of the Sith and a New Hope. Is anyone excited to see any of these stories? Or are we wasting time and money on this when Disney/Saban and Lucas Arts should be working on the Live Action series?
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If I recall, it was partially resolved, when Maul and Savage took over Mandalore, and Sidious went there and dealt with them personally, killing Savage, and sparing Maul for some unspecified purpose?
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Oh yeah Savage did die, minor spoiler for those of you who didn't finish seasons 4 & 5, sorry. But yeah, we still had Maul there for some reason. Maybe he becomes an acolyte.

What I'm really excited to see is a few EU characters like Mara Jade acting as the Emperor's Hand, Boba Fett's rise, and I'd love to see an episode where the new heroes face Vader's apprentice. That would probably be a sad episode, because according to the canon parts of The Force Unleashed, aside from Juno, Proxy and Vader himself, anyone who knew about Starkiller was killed.
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Alright watched the first episode today. I think I'm going to enjoy this show somewhat but it's very obvious that it's a kid's show. A kid's show that tries to act grown up sometimes but still basically a kid's show. Not really a big issue but since it's not aimed at my demographic then it's never going to be hugely appealing to me. Secondly, the animation didn't seem hugely impressive. Not even compared to Clone Wars which wasn't exactly modern looking itself. I'm not talking about the art style, that's fine. I'm referring to how out of date the character models look. Especially the wookies. Was rendering realistic looking hair that difficult? Seems to be a fair bit of plot induced stupidity. The storm troopers aiming is worse than ever as well. Lead character is a cliche. As such I can guess how his story will pan out just from watching the first episode. He's pretty much Aladdin. He even has a similar haircut.

Perhaps I'm being overly harsh. After all it isn't meant for my age group. I dunno. Is that an excuse for mediocre story telling and cliched characters?

I suppose I should also talk about the good to keep my opinion balanced. The music is fantastic. It really sounds like the original trilogy. The voice acting could be better, i.e stop using Americans and Australians to voice Brits instead of just using Brits? But overall it's adequate for what this is. It was enjoyable. Just about.


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Caught the last couple of minutes of an episode.

I am never watching more than that, looks incredibly lame what is it with cartoons these days can there be nothing remotely mature?

Like Teen Titans and Clone Wars, they were great.

And then the more recent versions, good GOD.


It's like there's not allowed to be anything remotely serious any more or it might be too scary for kids even though it's based around freaking Star Wars which if kids even liked it they'd have seen plenty of fairly serious action already then have it severely dumbed down, what is the point in that? Star Wars isn't for babies.
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I think you should at least watch the whole thing before coming to any sudden conclusions. Watching just a few minutes doesn't tell you everything. There's enough of a serious tone to keep me watching. In fact I would argue that it's more grown up than Doctor Who for the most part. Even though that's not hard really.

I do agree that some networks are too quick to label something as a Kid's show and then keep it watered down as a result. However thankfully it happens fare less these days than it did in the late 80s and 90s. Spider-man wasn't even allowed to punch people in the 90s and I have no idea how Batman got away with some of the stuff it did.

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Oct 1 2014, 11:55 PM
The storm troopers aiming is worse than ever as well.
That really bugged me too. Considering all of the expanded universe has been completely discarded now, there's no reason why Fett clones grown in Kamino would have such crap aiming combat awareness, considering that they were more or less trained to kill Jedi.

It's a shame too, since the expanded universe did give some reasons for the troopers' really shoddy combat performance.

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Toji brought up the best EU explanations for why the Storm Troopers are so inferior to Clone Troopers.

I'd just like to add that the accelerated aging process and the fact that the Kaminoans only had so much samples of Fett's blood to use may have also contributed to the aforementioned explanations.

As for Rebels, haven't seen it yet, so I'll hold off on commenting until I see it.

All right watched it -- The music and character interactions are good. They remind me a little of the Original Trilogy. However, I think the animation pales severely in comparison to Clone Wars. So far, the action is good. Overall, I think this show has a good start, and I will like it.
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Before my review, in additon to the SParti cloning tanks, don't forget that the Empire started recruiting regular humans to be pilots and Troopers. There was an academy outpost for AT-ST training in Star Wars Rogue Squadron III Rebel Strike, and even Han Solo and Luke's buddy Biggs were graduates of the Imperial Martial Academy. So yeah, not all of them were clones, in canon or out of canon. I also remember a stint in Battlefront II's story where they stated that the Fett clones were being supplanted by other sources after a Clone Rebellion on Kamino. The 501st was always pure Mandalorian, but other regiments weren't so lucky. So Storm Troopers ran the gambit of regular guys to Mandalorian Mercenaries.

Ok finally watched the first Episode eand I've got a review. Warning MAJOR SPOILERS in the ol' splot summary.

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Story: So, using the Clone Wars as a frame of reference, I thought the story wasn't bad for a pilot. It was significantly lighter and softer than The Clone Wars' pilot episode/movie. It also maintains a bit more of an adventure tone, even though the action is very fast paced, there hadn't been much suspense in it. Likely because The Clone Wars was a family show, in that it was OK for kids, but it had it's darker stories and was very plot driven. So far, likely due to where it is on Disney XD, Rebels is kinda fun, and mildly goofier. The preview videos add to this a bit, showing that the tone has changed and while this is clearly the same universe that the Original Trilogy happened in, it's a touch removed from the Prequels, The Force Unleashed and The Clone Wars. Which isn't a bad thing, and it doesn't touch the continuity, but it is a little off. It's quite a bit slower than the other multi-media projects as well. It has quick bursts of action, and there's a touch of build up, but they feel like they could have been placed anywhere. In fairness a lot of the early The Clone Wars episodes had the same problem until they hit their stride in the Malevolence Arc.

The Music: Wow the music was Nostalgic. That being said, I still like the Clone Wars music a bit better. It held that same John Williams feel to it, but made it different and contermporary. While some may argue that can at best make The Clone Wars a peroid piece and at worst dated, I really don't mind the change. What I do like about the sound designed for Rebels is that it isn't afraid to drop the score. They did it three or four times for a couple minutes and I think it really fit.

The Art: Again, very nostalgic. Unlike The Clone Wars, where they took designs from the Prequels and medled them with the Clone Wars Microseries (Which had a bit of a Samurai Jack feel to it, and I LOVE Samurai Jack) this one has a much softer design. The characters are much less angular, the colors blend a bit easier, it looks like the original release of a New Hope. It also matches a lot of the old concept designs, and several characters like Zeb and Chopper were designed from concept art of Chewbacca and Artoo Deetoo themselves. I think it'll grow on me as time goes on and it improves, but I really feel like the Clone Wars series looked better. Possibly because there was a bit more going on and they maintained the quality still.

Characters: Now if you know my love of any of my favorite fiction (Star Wars, Transformers and of course Dragon Ball Z) then you know I have a power chain of [Characters >> Story >/= Action ~ Music/Tone > Effects >>>> Logic (Because it's all sci-fi fantasy, suspend your disbelief people!) >>> Everything Else]. Because characters drive a story. I think the protagonists, so far anyway, all have some potential. They're all clearly colorful, if not a bit generic.

Kanan for example is, and if you didn't see the ad campaign and somehow forgot this is star wars, then this is somehow a spoiler,
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He's kinda cool I guess, he just isn't special.

My first impression of Ezra was that he was going to be Boy Ashoka. Talented, but wreckless. In fact, he's actually kinda like a Space Aladdin (Not the real one, the one from the Disney Movies with Robin Williams and Gilbert Godfried). Which isn't bad, Aladdin is one of my favorite Disney Characters. But I guess I was expecting something, else. Especially with all the hype he got from the production staff. I dunno, it's on it's first episode, gotta give it time.
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Same deal with Sabine, she's kinda like All Grown Up Kimi from the Rugrats, only in Mandalorian Armor. She's the rockstar girl that marches to the beat of a different drummer, expresses herself openly and rebels because it's easier to express herself that way. I noticed she shares a resemblance to the Duchess Satine and her sister, who was a Death Watch Agent. Noticeably, Sabine's armor is also of the Death Watch Variety, albeit incomplete, perhaps implicating that Mandalore may be active in the future.

My two favorites so far and Hera and Kallus. Largely because Hera... reminds me of Helen Parr from the Incredibles, God Disney is tossing in too many parallels. But Kallus is a bit more, intense. Like he's kinda like a young Tarkin, so he fits a bit more comfortably into the Star Wars universe. I'm actually very excited to see more of him in the future, especially if we get him in some good fights.

Chopper is kinda cool, albiet a touch one-dimensional. Like they took the grumpy part of Artoo and just didn't do anything else with him. Same deal with Zeb, he's big and tough but he's a good guy softy on the inside. Same ol, same ol.

Overall: For a Star Wars series as a whole it's alright. As a kid's show it's spectacular.

The Good News: The production values are great, it ties together with the rest of the universe, and it's pretty cool seeing some of the Original Trilogy characters and vehicles in that semi-Clone Wars-y animation style (The Tie Fighters look like they'd be so much fun to animate!) It really looks good, if not a little light on the diversity of planets this first go around. I'm sure it'll change up a bit as the series continues. And without so many Jedi around, the peril for the characters is shaping up to be pretty cool.

The Bad News: Not much goes on. It felt like it could have been a 1.5 parter instead of a two parter. Like more happens than can fill one episode, but not enough to really require two. The pacing is off. I honestly think that
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but that's just me. Same deal with the characters, unlike the Clone Wars, this first go around has them feeling flat and kinda stiff. Even Ashoka, who was the biggest Mary Sue in the first few episodes felt a bit more fleshed out and kinda real, at least compared to Ezra.

I'm looking forward to see where it goes in the future, but I'd give it a 6 out of 10 for the series start.
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Oct 2 2014, 12:20 AM
Caught the last couple of minutes of an episode.

I am never watching more than that, looks incredibly lame what is it with cartoons these days can there be nothing remotely mature?

Like Teen Titans and Clone Wars, they were great.

And then the more recent versions, good GOD.


It's like there's not allowed to be anything remotely serious any more or it might be too scary for kids even though it's based around freaking Star Wars which if kids even liked it they'd have seen plenty of fairly serious action already then have it severely dumbed down, what is the point in that? Star Wars isn't for babies.
You mean THIS Clone Wars?

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I've changed my mind after seeing more episodes. This show, albeit good, significantly pales in comparison to the legendary epic scale of the Clone Wars. It seems obvious that the target audience for this show is a younger one. So far, it's only saving grace is the Inquisitor
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I've only seen one episode, and I already dispise the show.
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