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Humans VS Freeza
Topic Started: Sep 8 2014, 10:53 PM (3,453 Views)
* Yu Narukami Sep 9 2014, 10:25 PM Post #31
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Izanagi!

 Eh, didn't #20 seem to think that Yamcha was a decent source of energy? Considering how strong they can potentially be, having the humans so far removed from Freeza's true power is a little strange.
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+ Pyrus Sep 9 2014, 11:14 PM Post #32
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DSTREET45
Sep 9 2014, 10:20 PM
sylentknyte
Sep 9 2014, 12:39 AM
Because Tien has higher natural talent and more rigorous training. Besides the freak time in the Frieza saga, it's always been Goku > Tien > Krillen > Yamcha, and I don't think that changed.

Proof for any of this in Z?

Not to mention that Krillin has more battle experience than Tien which could make up for the speculated "more rigorous training"
To add onto your point, Tenshinhan having more natural talent and more rigorous training is speculation at best. There's no good way to compare the two. We just know Krillin ended up the stronger of the two overall.
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Professor Gohan Sep 9 2014, 11:15 PM Post #33
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For all we know, he could have been playing volleyball everyday as training. A method to keep his old a*** in shape.
Edited by Professor Gohan, Sep 9 2014, 11:21 PM.
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+ Pyrus Sep 9 2014, 11:28 PM Post #34
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 That was one of his hobbies according to the SEG, if I recall.
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Professor Gohan Sep 9 2014, 11:30 PM Post #35
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It should be.

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StrawHatCrew Sep 10 2014, 12:33 AM Post #36
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ThePrinceOfSaiyajins
Sep 9 2014, 01:51 PM
sylentknyte
Sep 9 2014, 12:39 AM
Pyrus
Sep 9 2014, 12:37 AM
sylentknyte
Sep 9 2014, 12:36 AM
At this point I have them at:

Tien: 2.500,000
Krillen: 2,200,000
Yamcha: 1,200,000

So in Scenario 5 it's

Tien (50,000,000) , Krillen (40,000,000) , and Yamcha (24,000,000)

vs

Frieza (120,000,000)

I think they can take Frieza through teamwork. Tien traps him in a tri-beam, and Krillen destructo disks his a***.
Why ya got Tenshinny stronger than Krillin?
Because Tien has higher natural talent and more rigorous training. Besides the freak time in the Frieza saga, it's always been Goku > Tien > Krillen > Yamcha, and I don't think that changed.

Toriyama himself disagrees with you.
Not on topic, but you yourself think Nappa is only 4,000, right?! That's something AT disagrees with, too, I think.
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sylentknyte Sep 10 2014, 12:41 AM Post #37
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Pyrus
Sep 9 2014, 11:14 PM
DSTREET45
Sep 9 2014, 10:20 PM
sylentknyte
Sep 9 2014, 12:39 AM
Because Tien has higher natural talent and more rigorous training. Besides the freak time in the Frieza saga, it's always been Goku > Tien > Krillen > Yamcha, and I don't think that changed.

Proof for any of this in Z?

Not to mention that Krillin has more battle experience than Tien which could make up for the speculated "more rigorous training"
To add onto your point, Tenshinhan having more natural talent and more rigorous training is speculation at best. There's no good way to compare the two. We just know Krillin ended up the stronger of the two overall.
I'll grant you that it's fully possible Krillen was more powerful than Tien in the Cell saga, even though Tien held back a Semi-Perfect Cell. Not even some SSJ tier characters could do that. But there's no way Krillen > Tien in the Buu saga and beyond.

I said Tien has more natural potential because, all else even he always was more powerful than Krillen.
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+ Clearin Sep 10 2014, 12:49 AM Post #38
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 I think it's hard to say if Tien had more natural talent. Sure he started off stronger, and continued to be stronger until the Namek saga, but he's also about 3-4 years older than Krillin, he had a headstart which would account for a gap between them and the gap never widened, Krillin never seemed to fall behind massively, or Tien pulling ahead massively, which suggests to me that they grow at equal rates and thus would have equal natural talent.
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Hurry My Curry Sep 10 2014, 12:51 AM Post #39
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Master Troll

 This topic ain't even about Krillin vs Tien lol. All human topics go that way though.
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+ Pyrus Sep 10 2014, 12:56 AM Post #40
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Sep 10 2014, 12:41 AM
Pyrus
Sep 9 2014, 11:14 PM
DSTREET45
Sep 9 2014, 10:20 PM
sylentknyte
Sep 9 2014, 12:39 AM
Because Tien has higher natural talent and more rigorous training. Besides the freak time in the Frieza saga, it's always been Goku > Tien > Krillen > Yamcha, and I don't think that changed.

Proof for any of this in Z?

Not to mention that Krillin has more battle experience than Tien which could make up for the speculated "more rigorous training"
To add onto your point, Tenshinhan having more natural talent and more rigorous training is speculation at best. There's no good way to compare the two. We just know Krillin ended up the stronger of the two overall.
I'll grant you that it's fully possible Krillen was more powerful than Tien in the Cell saga, even though Tien held back a Semi-Perfect Cell. Not even some SSJ tier characters could do that. But there's no way Krillen > Tien in the Buu saga and beyond.

I said Tien has more natural potential because, all else even he always was more powerful than Krillen.

Tenshinhan holding back Cell has nothing to do with his strength or his strength compared to Krillin, though.

And yes, that's what Toriyama and the supplementary material all say. Krillin was stronger past the Cell Games.
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Sep 10 2014, 12:51 AM
This topic ain't even about Krillin vs Tien lol. All human topics go that way though.

It's my fault, but I take it in stride.
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DSTREET45 Sep 10 2014, 01:26 AM Post #41
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Sep 10 2014, 12:41 AM
I'll grant you that it's fully possible Krillen was more powerful than Tien in the Cell saga, even though Tien held back a Semi-Perfect Cell . Not even some SSJ tier characters could do that.
With a move that was stated to be vastly superior to the KHH.

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But there's no way Krillen > Tien in the Buu saga and beyond.


Training doesn't automatically mean big gains. IIRC Goku and Piccolo didn't make much gains between EoDB and BoZ.

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I said Tien has more natural potential because, all else even he always was more powerful than Krillen.


All else in Dragon Ball says that he was always more powerful. Krillin was already closing the gap between them during Kami's training (comparable to Goku and Piccolo's gap in the beginning of Z). Not to mention that since Tien is older he'd probably reach his peak before Krillin did.

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This topic ain't even about Krillin vs Tien lol. All human topics go that way though.


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POOHEAD189 Sep 10 2014, 02:52 AM Post #42
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Sep 9 2014, 08:43 PM
If you don't take Toriyama's word for things then you're saying you don't take anything the manga says as canon considering every single bit of dialogue in the manga is Toriyama's word.
That's completely beside the point. The story IS the story.

I have a favorite Author, and in his books all things that have been written were canon. But he admitted that, his fans knew WAY more knowledge than him on his series and in fact anonymously went on a forum to ask them questions to better help with his next book. Toriyama has no business making claims on something he hardly paid attention to 20 years ago. And just maybe, if these interviews were from around the time he made the manga I'd be more apt to believe him.
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Tha gaol agam ort. <3
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Mihawk Sep 10 2014, 03:03 AM Post #43
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 He made a statement in the manga and he made a statement after the manga ended. It'd be somewhat "ok" if the manga doesn't say Krillin was stronger, but if you have all three of those then you're just banging on the doors of fan fiction rather then claiming intellectual superiority to the author (which is fine).

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DSTREET45 Sep 10 2014, 03:09 AM Post #44
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Sep 10 2014, 02:52 AM
Clearin
Sep 9 2014, 08:43 PM
If you don't take Toriyama's word for things then you're saying you don't take anything the manga says as canon considering every single bit of dialogue in the manga is Toriyama's word.
That's completely beside the point. The story IS the story.

I have a favorite Author, and in his books all things that have been written were canon. But he admitted that, his fans knew WAY more knowledge than him on his series and in fact anonymously went on a forum to ask them questions to better help with his next book. Toriyama has no business making claims on something he hardly paid attention to 20 years ago. And just maybe, if these interviews were from around the time he made the manga I'd be more apt to believe him.
http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/directmessage.php?m=36836686

Note that one of the points is from the manga.
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POOHEAD189 Sep 10 2014, 03:13 AM Post #45
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 The only statement we have is Yamcha speaking to Krillin's daughter.
Tha gaol agam ort. <3
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