Humans VS Freeza

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Humans VS Freeza
Tweet Topic Started: Sep 8 2014, 10:53 PM (3,449 Views)
+ Yusuke	Sep 8 2014, 10:53 PM Post #1
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	The Cell Arc Humans (Yamcha, Tien, and Krillin) take on 100% Freeza There's 5 different scenarios for this fight along with a special condition. Scenario 1: All 3 Humans VS 100% Freeza Scenario 2: All 3 Humans with Kaioken X2 VS 100% Freeza Scenario 3: All 3 Humans with Kaioken X4 VS 100% Freeza Scenario 4: All 3 Humans with Kaioken X10 VS 100% Freeza Scenario 5: All 3 Humans with Kaioken X20 VS 100% Freeza The special condition here is that Tien and Krillin can use their Kihiko and Kienzan respectively but Freeza is fully aware of both techniques and will be cautious to any usage of them. Do the Humans win any of the scenarios? Edited by Yusuke, Sep 8 2014, 10:54 PM.
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+ Pelador	Sep 8 2014, 10:59 PM Post #2
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	I think only in Scenario five do they have any chance. I have the humans pretty darn low.
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+ ThePrinceOfSaiyans	Sep 8 2014, 11:35 PM Post #3
魔王子 Posts: 9,797 Group: Elite Member Member #10,492 Joined: November 16, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	The Earthlings will never reach Freeza's level as far as I'm concerned.
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+ Pyrus	Sep 8 2014, 11:43 PM Post #4
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	With Kaioken x20 they might have a chance, but otherwise no. There's no substantial evidence (that isn't contradicted by a later event, if we're bringing up the debate I had with Clearin a while ago) that the humans ever got anywhere near Freeza's level. Taking away the Kikoho and Kienzan, which I'm assuming people would just suggest spamming those with the Taiyoken anyway, is a good way to keep things more in-character despite severely hampering the humans' chances.
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SSJ	Sep 8 2014, 11:56 PM Post #5
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	IMO the best human would barely be reaching a disappointing 60 million. If you add in four more runts the odds are not going to change, especially with how terrible of a technique Kaioken x20 is. Edited by SSJ, Sep 8 2014, 11:56 PM.



+ Clearin	Sep 9 2014, 12:00 AM Post #6
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Pyrus Sep 8 2014, 11:43 PM With Kaioken x20 they might have a chance, but otherwise no. There's no substantial evidence (that isn't contradicted by a later event, if we're bringing up the debate I had with Clearin a while ago) that the humans ever got anywhere near Freeza's level. What later events? I don't remember you bringing up any later events.



OmegaSaiyan2	Sep 9 2014, 12:14 AM Post #7
¿? Posts: 3,381 Group: Member Member #10,465 Joined: November 9, 2013 Gender Male Country Chile Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z and Sailor Moon. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball/Z.	Krillin:72,500,000 Yamcha:20,000,000 Tien:50,000,000 Krillin Defeats Frieza In Scenario 2 Tien Defeats Frieza In Scenario 2(anime frieza is needed scenario 3) Yamcha Defeats Frieza In Scenario 4 The Three Together Beat Frieza In Scenario 2 Edited by OmegaSaiyan2, Sep 9 2014, 09:58 PM.
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+ Pyrus	Sep 9 2014, 12:14 AM Post #8
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Clearin Sep 9 2014, 12:00 AM Pyrus Sep 8 2014, 11:43 PM With Kaioken x20 they might have a chance, but otherwise no. There's no substantial evidence (that isn't contradicted by a later event, if we're bringing up the debate I had with Clearin a while ago) that the humans ever got anywhere near Freeza's level. What later events? I don't remember you bringing up any later events. You said yourself that all the implications you brought up were redacted by Ten's statement about Trunks killing Freeza, or something thereabout, ya dig?
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+ Clearin	Sep 9 2014, 12:20 AM Post #9
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Pyrus Sep 9 2014, 12:14 AM Clearin Sep 9 2014, 12:00 AM Pyrus Sep 8 2014, 11:43 PM With Kaioken x20 they might have a chance, but otherwise no. There's no substantial evidence (that isn't contradicted by a later event, if we're bringing up the debate I had with Clearin a while ago) that the humans ever got anywhere near Freeza's level. What later events? I don't remember you bringing up any later events. You said yourself that all the implications you brought up were redacted by Ten's statement about Trunks killing Freeza, or something thereabout, ya dig? Oh I see, I thought by later you meant events that happened after the list of points I mentioned. But it was still a single line that's agaisnt about 11 other bits of evidence for the opposite. Plus I did provide a possible counter argument for that, just like I did for all the others. The humans power is never made perfectly clear, but I don't think it's right to say they can't be that high of a level, just like I don't think it's right to say they have to be that high. I mean today I found out some people have Piccolo after King Kai's training at 250,000, which certainly isn't contradicted so I have no problem with that, but it's a 100 or higher times boost in 5 days, I don't see how humans getting so strong in 3 years is out of the question.



+ Pyrus	Sep 9 2014, 12:21 AM Post #10
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	You're right.
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Hurry My Curry	Sep 9 2014, 12:29 AM Post #11
Master Troll Posts: 3,800 Group: Members Member #7,981 Joined: July 20, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I don't see any reason to make the humans Freeza level. As far as I'm concerned, they lose in all scenarios.
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sylentknyte	Sep 9 2014, 12:36 AM Post #12
Posts: 790 Group: Member Member #5,932 Joined: March 30, 2011	At this point I have them at: Tien: 2.500,000 Krillen: 2,200,000 Yamcha: 1,200,000 So in Scenario 5 it's Tien (50,000,000) , Krillen (44,000,000) , and Yamcha (24,000,000) vs Frieza (120,000,000) I think they can take Frieza through teamwork. Tien traps him in a tri-beam, and Krillen destructo disks his a*. Edited by sylentknyte**, Sep 9 2014, 12:37 AM.



+ Pyrus	Sep 9 2014, 12:37 AM Post #13
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	sylentknyte Sep 9 2014, 12:36 AM At this point I have them at: Tien: 2.500,000 Krillen: 2,200,000 Yamcha: 1,200,000 So in Scenario 5 it's Tien (50,000,000) , Krillen (40,000,000) , and Yamcha (24,000,000) vs Frieza (120,000,000) I think they can take Frieza through teamwork. Tien traps him in a tri-beam, and Krillen destructo disks his a***. Why ya got Tenshinny stronger than Krillin?
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sylentknyte	Sep 9 2014, 12:39 AM Post #14
Posts: 790 Group: Member Member #5,932 Joined: March 30, 2011	Pyrus Sep 9 2014, 12:37 AM sylentknyte Sep 9 2014, 12:36 AM At this point I have them at: Tien: 2.500,000 Krillen: 2,200,000 Yamcha: 1,200,000 So in Scenario 5 it's Tien (50,000,000) , Krillen (40,000,000) , and Yamcha (24,000,000) vs Frieza (120,000,000) I think they can take Frieza through teamwork. Tien traps him in a tri-beam, and Krillen destructo disks his a***. Why ya got Tenshinny stronger than Krillin? Because Tien has higher natural talent and more rigorous training. Besides the freak time in the Frieza saga, it's always been Goku > Tien > Krillen > Yamcha, and I don't think that changed.



~~Professor Gohan~~	Sep 9 2014, 12:44 AM Post #15
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I have the humans really weak. "Strong" when it comes to a human in general. Stronger than Freeza? Nah. One of Freeza's mid forms is fine. Edited by Professor Gohan, Sep 9 2014, 12:57 AM.



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