King Furry

Sep 9 2014, 08:34 AM

As an atheist, I do not believe in things scientific evidence cannot prove.

King Gattsu

Sep 4 2014, 05:36 AM

I agree with OFG. People don't give themselves enough credit for what they do. You are the one who did it. Don't thank God. Thank yourself.

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Not trying to be insulting, but I have a seriously hard time believing in an all-loving God who actually spends the time to grace you with relatively minor victories when you have to consider the fact that there's children suffering with cancer, and when you consider how many ways the Universe is trying to kill us.
Most of the known universe is uninhabitable to humans because the radiation is so high. If the Universe was made by a God, it certainly wasn't created for humans. That's for sure.

God's either not all good, he's not all powerful, or he simply doesn't exist. And if he does exist, he can't be both good and all-powerful given the context of reality.

This is the one reason why I'm an agnostic Atheist. It's not that I don't believe in the possibility of a God, I just don't believe in the Biblical God, or any other god in any type of scripture.

POOHEAD189

Sep 9 2014, 05:54 PM

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Regardless on whether or not you believe Jesus is God's son, pretty much every credible historical scholar today agrees that Jesus existed.

King Gattsu

Sep 9 2014, 05:03 PM

King Furry

Sep 9 2014, 08:34 AM

As an atheist, I do not believe in things scientific evidence cannot prove.

Isn't that what being an atheist means lol.

POOHEAD189

 

Because we suffer isn't a reason to say God is malevolent. Things happen to us because he gave us free will and choices that lead us down paths that could potentially be destructive. And even when God directs us, it's to teach us to lean on him. I guarantee you the majority of people suffering say "f*** you God" instead of "help me God" or "This is your will so there must be good." If we stopped thinking about ourselves every 5 seconds we might get some blessings. He's teaching us to let go. We are supposed to enjoy our time on earth but not think it's the end all be all. When you put money, material, or yourself over Gods importance, that's when you start losing things.
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Regardless on whether or not you believe Jesus is God's son, pretty much every credible historical scholar today agrees that Jesus existed.

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The majority viewpoint among scholars is that Jesus existed, but scholars differ about the beliefs and teachings of Jesus as well as the accuracy of the parts of his life that have been recorded in the Gospels.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] Scholars who believe that Jesus existed differ on the historicity of specific episodes described in the Biblical accounts,[11] but most scholars agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jew who was born between 7-4 BC and died 30–36 AD,[12][13][14] that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, that he was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate[8][9][10]and that he lived in Galilee and Judea and did not preach or study elsewhere.[15][16][17] The theory that Jesus never existed at all has very little scholarly support

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Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and most biblical scholars and classical historians see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.

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Over the years, even radicals have been forced to bow their heads in acknowledgement of the fact that Jesus of Nazareth was a central character of the biblical world twenty centuries ago. The French humanist Ernest Renan (1823-1892), no friend of Christianity, admitted that “all history is incomprehensible without him” and “to tear [Jesus’] name from this world, would be to shake it to its foundations” (26, 212).

In 1912, Professor Shirley Jackson Case, a liberal theologian at the University of Chicago — who denied the supernatural elements in the Gospels — produced a book titled, The Historicity of Jesus. In the Preface he stated: “The main purpose of the present volume is to set forth the evidence for believing in the historical reality of Jesus’ existence upon earth” (v).

In 1922, Joseph Klausner, of Hebrew University, authored his controversial volume, Jesus of Nazareth. Though Klausner rejected Christ as divine, he nonetheless argued persuasively, based upon ancient sources, that Jesus was a bona fide historical character (17-62). Significantly, no ancient adversary ever even disputed Jesus’ existence!

The case is so settled that Professor Bruce Metzger of Princeton University could say in 1965: “Today no competent scholar denies the historicity of Jesus” (78). Quite true. But this does not prevent some not-so-competent writers from disputing this fact.

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God is hardly merciful or fair like Christianity suggests. That is an ill-informed misunderstanding from Christians who have never actually read the Bible.
The Bible condones slavery, rape, murder under the "righteous" circumstances, massacre of children, and unfair mistreatment of women, amongst many other things that are "questionable" in modern society. Some of this stuff like mistreatment of women is in the New Testament as well; so this isn't Old Testament mumbo jumbo.

For example, Christians going on and on about "abortion" being murder is wrong according to the Old Testament. In both Leviticus and Numbers, it states that a child under a month old has no value.

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It pretty much says that people who think there was no Jesus are like the people who think there's no global warming. Because 4 scientists think it, people cling to this belief.

King Gattsu

Sep 9 2014, 05:03 PM

King Furry

Sep 9 2014, 08:34 AM

As an atheist, I do not believe in things scientific evidence cannot prove.

Isn't that what being an atheist means lol.

POOHEAD189

Sep 10 2014, 03:10 AM

@Ninjaneer and Ketpchup

Google Jesus Historicity on wikipedia and the 3rd paragraph in wiki is

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The majority viewpoint among scholars is that Jesus existed, but scholars differ about the beliefs and teachings of Jesus as well as the accuracy of the parts of his life that have been recorded in the Gospels.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] Scholars who believe that Jesus existed differ on the historicity of specific episodes described in the Biblical accounts,[11] but most scholars agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jew who was born between 7-4 BC and died 30–36 AD,[12][13][14] that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, that he was crucified by the order of the Roman Prefect Pontius Pilate[8][9][10]and that he lived in Galilee and Judea and did not preach or study elsewhere.[15][16][17] The theory that Jesus never existed at all has very little scholarly support

Also lower in the Accepted Historical Facts segment:

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Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and most biblical scholars and classical historians see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted.

I'm surprised you guys didn't know this. But I'll humor you with this website.
https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/665-atheism-and-the-historical-christ

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Over the years, even radicals have been forced to bow their heads in acknowledgement of the fact that Jesus of Nazareth was a central character of the biblical world twenty centuries ago. The French humanist Ernest Renan (1823-1892), no friend of Christianity, admitted that “all history is incomprehensible without him” and “to tear [Jesus’] name from this world, would be to shake it to its foundations” (26, 212).

In 1912, Professor Shirley Jackson Case, a liberal theologian at the University of Chicago — who denied the supernatural elements in the Gospels — produced a book titled, The Historicity of Jesus. In the Preface he stated: “The main purpose of the present volume is to set forth the evidence for believing in the historical reality of Jesus’ existence upon earth” (v).

In 1922, Joseph Klausner, of Hebrew University, authored his controversial volume, Jesus of Nazareth. Though Klausner rejected Christ as divine, he nonetheless argued persuasively, based upon ancient sources, that Jesus was a bona fide historical character (17-62). Significantly, no ancient adversary ever even disputed Jesus’ existence!

The case is so settled that Professor Bruce Metzger of Princeton University could say in 1965: “Today no competent scholar denies the historicity of Jesus” (78). Quite true. But this does not prevent some not-so-competent writers from disputing this fact.

It pretty much says that people who think there was no Jesus are like the people who think there's no global warming. Because 4 scientists think it, people cling to this belief.

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God is hardly merciful or fair like Christianity suggests. That is an ill-informed misunderstanding from Christians who have never actually read the Bible.
The Bible condones slavery, rape, murder under the "righteous" circumstances, massacre of children, and unfair mistreatment of women, amongst many other things that are "questionable" in modern society. Some of this stuff like mistreatment of women is in the New Testament as well; so this isn't Old Testament mumbo jumbo.

For example, Christians going on and on about "abortion" being murder is wrong according to the Old Testament. In both Leviticus and Numbers, it states that a child under a month old has no value.

Slavery was indentured servitude in Israel, and it was the slave's choice.
Doesn't condone rape.
Unless you think no one should hurt anyone else ever regardless of the circumstances, then that's speculative.
If by Massacre you mean the passage where Elisha called bears out of the woods when 42 kids were making fun of him, that's a wrong translation. They were 42 young men, probably soldiers, mocking one lone man they found upon the road.
And Mistreatment of women? They were made in God's image just as man was. There's Deborah, Ruth, The Queen of Sheba, Abigail, and so many other important women in the bible, not to mention the Marys. Solomon in proverbs even calls wisdom "she."
Hell, when people were mistreating women, like the townsfolk stoning the adultress, Jesus walked up, and gave the quote "He who is without sin cast the first stone" and one by one the villagers left, leaving her unharmed. He then told her to go and sin no more.

Cal

Sep 10 2014, 03:47 AM

Jesus is my lord and savior.

**** you all for offending me.