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| * Ketchup Revenge | Sep 3 2014, 03:01 AM Post #1 |
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Normally I pass on these types of articles, tossing them aside as an ill attempt at trolling, but a subject usually catches my attention if I've seen more than one article about it in the period of a week. I've seen several articles in the past week that featured reasons why scholars who have scrutinized if Jesus actually existed or not. One of their biggest citations is the fact that his own disciples portrayed a very different account of his personality and basic facts of his life, when you compare each disciple's account of him. Another citation they make is the fact that there is no account of his existence outside religious texts. Here's some of these articles, which question Jesus's existence: Huffington Post Raw Story Salon What's your opinion about this? Do you believe that Jesus existed? Discuss. |
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Sep 3 2014, 03:06 AM Post #2 |
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Removed the "s" from the end of Jesus because it was driving me crazy.  It's a possibility, but you'd think a man with spectacular powers would have been well documented, as well as having monuments dedicated to him. I don't think any artefacts or relics related to Jesus has ever been found, at least the last I read. |
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| EMIYA | Sep 3 2014, 03:21 AM Post #3 |
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You're going to be hard pressed to create an entirely fictional character with that kind influence without basing it on something. I mean even Santa Clause was based of St. Nicholas an actual historical figure. Unless everyone got drunk on wine one day and was like. Person #1: Alright like so...what if, now just hear me out guys. What if God had like a son. And he was like...had this beard and did all this stuff! Person #2: That's sounds cool mate! What's his name! I think we should name him George. Person #3: That's stupid, crucify his a***! Person #1: Well about Jesus! What do you think Mr. Christopher? Christopher: I'm cool with it as long as he takes my last name in some way. So they got together and wrote a big huge book on things Jesus Chrisopher did but accidentally left it in the church where the priest found it. Where upon reading the story he goes outside and waves the book around and tells everyone Priest: Miracle b***s! God has a son! No I did not proofread the story. and so since the miracle of God gave them that story they it must be true. As you can see even if a character created is entirely fictional from appearance to whatever they did, its hard to make it as such without basing them on something real. Just as with Santa Clause, he's not a real character. St. Nicholas who he's based off of was. So there's really the high chance that Jesus at the very least was based off of a real person to a degree and that if anything that person was stretched out and distorted until we get Miracle Man there. |
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| RaineStorm | Sep 3 2014, 03:23 AM Post #4 |
 
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Yes, I do believe that He existed, and no, I can not give what you would call solid proof. You can say it is very ignorant to think that way if you want, but I call it having faith. I'm sorry if that seemed pretentious, I know its a delicate subject to say the least... finding words that won't offend people in regards to religion is difficult because everyone has different "trigger words" that upset them. The individual humans perception is an interesting concept to study and discuss all on its own. I'm sure if you asked 10 people who think they know me to describe events in my life that they witnessed they would each tell the story radically differently, and from their own points of view, they'd be right. I can only imagine how the stories would sound differently from each other if they involved elements beyond comprehension like you hear of from miracles. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Sep 3 2014, 03:24 AM Post #5 |
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Off topic, but what you did by removing the "S" would make it plural possessive, which it isn't, so your grammar's wrong. However, I will agree with your point about the artifacts. Even the Shroud of Turin hasn't been confirmed as authentic, and a carbon dating analysis dated it at around the 14th century. There was a rumor that the shroud was made of two different types of fabrics, which could explain this discrepency, but no other tests were done on it. The Holy Grail has never been found, and to be honest, there's even been disagreement over what it even is. Obviously the #1 conclusion is that it was the cup that Jesus drank from at the Last Supper, but other theories include the cup that caught is blood when his side was pierced by the Spear of Destiny on the cross. A more unconventional theory is that "The Holy Grail" is actually Jesus's bloodline; which would suggest that Mary Magdeline was his wife (which most people believe), and bore him children. The Spear of Destiny has also never been found. @RaineStorm. I don't get offended easily at all. Present your opinion in full. I'll be happy to hear it 
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| Buuberries | Sep 3 2014, 06:22 AM Post #6 |
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Off topic, but removing the s does not make it plural possessive since the original s that preceeds the apostrophe is part of the name (Jesus -- notice how there's an s at the end?) and isn't added on to pluralise the word, so, in your own words, your grammar's wrong. Gotcha. B00m. Game, set, and match, s0n. Also, it's punctuation and not grammar. B00m. Gotcha again. @topic yes I think Jesus exists because it says so in the Bible. Edited by Buuberries, Sep 3 2014, 06:26 AM.
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| Rockman | Sep 3 2014, 10:10 AM Post #7 |
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It also says that he was the only person in history to turn water into wine, and walk on water. It also says that a man was swallowed by a great fish and lived to tell about it. It also says that a single man packed two of every animal onto the largest ship ever built without traveling more than 100 miles in any direction to gather them all. The Bible is full of tall tales. It wouldn't be beyond the bible to make an entire series based on a single character. |
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| + Pelador | Sep 3 2014, 10:28 AM Post #8 |
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I thought there were accounts of a Yeshua living around Isreal at that time? He didn't have to actually have fantastic powers in real life to be an actual person who existed. Problem is there were apparently quite a few other people who also claimed to be the son of God and practiced miracles and all that jazz. Seemed to be the in thing back then to embellish the truth about these so called prophets. |
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| Return Of Imjustsaiyanbro | Sep 3 2014, 02:53 PM Post #9 |
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A lot of non-Christians have agreed that Jesus existed. All those followers and stories must have come from somewhere so I think it's safe to say Jesus of Nazarene in fact was a real guy. Whether you believe he was who he said he was is what you believe however. |
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| Rockman | Sep 3 2014, 10:05 PM Post #10 |
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I'm going to ask for a little more research here. Claims are great if you have the text to back it up. |
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| Wolf | Sep 3 2014, 11:38 PM Post #11 |
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Yeah, he was a Jewish priest that spread the word of God. But, just like many other men who gained too much power, was killed by his peers. People worshipped this man as a God and the Romans decided to take him out since he was threatening their way of life. You see, people need to understand that this happened a very, very long time ago. One would have to assume that people were more gullible in that time period, due to not having a lot of understanding of the things around them. Granted, it's an opinion but, I don't think it's that far fetched. If you lived in a time where all you knew was there was the land around you and nothing more. Thinking the world ends at the sea and that there's a all powerful God that watches over everything and that they must worship him and his word. Now, when you have someone, a self proclaimed "Man of God" start telling you he's the son of God and all the miracles he's performed, chances are you're going to believe him. It's just a way to take advantage of people's willingness to hope. It's almost the same thing Hitler did when recruiting Nazi's. He had an idea that worked great in the time period it was placed. Nobody really had done anything like that so, it was easy to believe. One might argue that Jesus performed miracles and was born from a virgin woman. Chances are those are both wrong. It's not humanly possible to be able to birth a child without having sex and just saying it's a miracle isn't proof enough. Science doesn't deal with opinions or hope. It deals with facts and it's the same thing that the whole universe follows. That's been proven. You can't just say it was a miracle because you don't know the actual answer. Miracles are just things you can't explain. That's why it's an easy scapegoat for religious people to use when it's asked of them. I don't judge anyone for being religious but, my advice would be to stop. It's easier to pull the band aid off now and live with it. There's no such thing as miracles or works of God, in my opinion. At least I haven't had any sort of thing happen to me. |
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Sep 4 2014, 02:03 AM Post #12 |
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You don't ever hear of sane, intellectual atheists/agnostics experiencing miracles, seeing angels and demons, etc. That surely says something. If God existed, he wouldn't just show these things to Christians. |
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| + Pelador | Sep 4 2014, 02:09 AM Post #13 |
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Perhaps they do see similar things but the difference is that they take other explanations into account rather than simply believing it was down to God or Satan? |
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Sep 4 2014, 02:50 AM Post #14 |
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Sometimes definitely, but that's not always the case. I would say with miracles, yes. Atheists can clearly see that the doctor saved the person dying, not God. |
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| Wolf | Sep 4 2014, 05:36 AM Post #15 |
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I agree with OFG. People don't give themselves enough credit for what they do. You are the one who did it. Don't thank God. Thank yourself. |
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