Dr. Gero vs Frieza

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Dr. Gero vs Frieza
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Android19	Sep 1 2014, 02:22 PM Post #16
Posts: 230 Group: Member Member #6,763 Joined: September 16, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz	Pyrus Sep 1 2014, 02:11 PM Clearin Sep 1 2014, 02:05 PM Yamcha said the Androids were even worse than the ones they'd been told about. Dr Gero > Yamcha's expectations > Freeza When was this? Android19 Sep 1 2014, 02:09 PM Pyrus Sep 1 2014, 02:04 PM Android19 Sep 1 2014, 02:02 PM Nothing says that Gero is stronger than Frieza. He didn't beat anyone we know is stronger than Frieza or do anything that says it. Just going by logic though, he would be weaker than him. Piccolo questioned whether Gero was the android(s) Trunks talked about. If Piccolo had to question it, that means Gero is at least nearing that level of power, which was by default stronger than Freeza, otherwise the question would be needless. At least nearing what level of power. Gero definitely wasn't nearing Android 18 and 17's power. Enough to stomp Trunks. That doesn't have to be C17 and C18's level of power. Ofcourse Piccolo questioned it. They completely fit the description of what Trunks said. 2 Androids out to terrorize the world. You think he should have just assumed that there are other, more powerful Androids with no basis just because these guys were weak? Edited by Android19, Sep 1 2014, 02:25 PM.



+ Pyrus	Sep 1 2014, 02:28 PM Post #17
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Android19 Sep 1 2014, 02:22 PM Pyrus Sep 1 2014, 02:11 PM Clearin Sep 1 2014, 02:05 PM Yamcha said the Androids were even worse than the ones they'd been told about. Dr Gero > Yamcha's expectations > Freeza When was this? Android19 Sep 1 2014, 02:09 PM Pyrus Sep 1 2014, 02:04 PM Android19 Sep 1 2014, 02:02 PM Nothing says that Gero is stronger than Frieza. He didn't beat anyone we know is stronger than Frieza or do anything that says it. Just going by logic though, he would be weaker than him. Piccolo questioned whether Gero was the android(s) Trunks talked about. If Piccolo had to question it, that means Gero is at least nearing that level of power, which was by default stronger than Freeza, otherwise the question would be needless. At least nearing what level of power. Gero definitely wasn't nearing Android 18 and 17's power. Enough to stomp Trunks. That doesn't have to be C17 and C18's level of power. Ofcourse Piccolo questioned it. They completely fit the description of what Trunks said. 2 Androids out to terrorize the world. You think he should have just assumed that there are other, more powerful Androids with no basis? SuperSaiyanQ Ketchup Revenge Aug 31 2014, 03:39 AM SuperSaiyanQ Aug 31 2014, 03:24 AM Ketchup Revenge Aug 30 2014, 10:38 PM To be fair, there's actually no way to know how strong 20 was. Piccolo's not sure if he's a real android...there you go, that's how strong he is. Perhaps this is over my head, but what's your point? That says nothing about his strength. ~~What is Piccolo going off of, his age?~~ What I mean is that, he's not sure if 20 (post) is strong enough to be an android that Trunks spoke of or not (he asks, "are you too weak, or are we too strong?" [paraphrasing]), which I take to mean that he's not sure whether or not 20 lives up to the standards set by Trunks, which were essentially "these androids kick my butt and have terrifying strength." I believe that this basically means that 20 is stronger than Trunks, but the extent of his advantage is what makes Piccolo unsure ("is it large enough to warrant Trunks's description?" [paraphrasing his line again]). I think it should at least place 20 a little above Trunks from 3 years ago, because if he were weaker, then the obvious answer would be "you're too weak." I suppose you could say something about how 20 absorbs chi, but then I'd say that Piccolo would probably have an answer already..."I guess maybe you absorbed more chi in the future, somehow"...which is why I think he's referring to 20's current strength. Edit: I just felt like doing this. Edit 2: If you feel like responding, maybe make another thread so that this one doesn't get too derailed...idk. Vegeta already put the suspicion in everyone's minds that they may be foolin'.
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+ Yusuke	Sep 1 2014, 02:29 PM Post #18
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Sick SSJ Goku >> SSJ Yardrat Goku. Tien was amazed by the power of this Goku even after seeing Goku's power from 3 years prior. The fact that 19 wasn't completed destroyed by this Goku shows that he should be above the Yardrat SSJ's. That combined with Piccolo's statement of course.
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Android19	Sep 1 2014, 02:39 PM Post #19
Posts: 230 Group: Member Member #6,763 Joined: September 16, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz	Pyrus Sep 1 2014, 02:28 PM Android19 Sep 1 2014, 02:22 PM Pyrus Sep 1 2014, 02:11 PM Clearin Sep 1 2014, 02:05 PM Yamcha said the Androids were even worse than the ones they'd been told about. Dr Gero > Yamcha's expectations > Freeza When was this? Android19 Sep 1 2014, 02:09 PM Pyrus Sep 1 2014, 02:04 PM Android19 Sep 1 2014, 02:02 PM Nothing says that Gero is stronger than Frieza. He didn't beat anyone we know is stronger than Frieza or do anything that says it. Just going by logic though, he would be weaker than him. Piccolo questioned whether Gero was the android(s) Trunks talked about. If Piccolo had to question it, that means Gero is at least nearing that level of power, which was by default stronger than Freeza, otherwise the question would be needless. At least nearing what level of power. Gero definitely wasn't nearing Android 18 and 17's power. Enough to stomp Trunks. That doesn't have to be C17 and C18's level of power. Ofcourse Piccolo questioned it. They completely fit the description of what Trunks said. 2 Androids out to terrorize the world. You think he should have just assumed that there are other, more powerful Androids with no basis? SuperSaiyanQ Ketchup Revenge Aug 31 2014, 03:39 AM SuperSaiyanQ Aug 31 2014, 03:24 AM Ketchup Revenge Aug 30 2014, 10:38 PM To be fair, there's actually no way to know how strong 20 was. Piccolo's not sure if he's a real android...there you go, that's how strong he is. Perhaps this is over my head, but what's your point? That says nothing about his strength. ~~What is Piccolo going off of, his age?~~ What I mean is that, he's not sure if 20 (post) is strong enough to be an android that Trunks spoke of or not (he asks, "are you too weak, or are we too strong?" [paraphrasing]), which I take to mean that he's not sure whether or not 20 lives up to the standards set by Trunks, which were essentially "these androids kick my butt and have terrifying strength." I believe that this basically means that 20 is stronger than Trunks, but the extent of his advantage is what makes Piccolo unsure ("is it large enough to warrant Trunks's description?" [paraphrasing his line again]). I think it should at least place 20 a little above Trunks from 3 years ago, because if he were weaker, then the obvious answer would be "you're too weak." I suppose you could say something about how 20 absorbs chi, but then I'd say that Piccolo would probably have an answer already..."I guess maybe you absorbed more chi in the future, somehow"...which is why I think he's referring to 20's current strength. Edit: I just felt like doing this. Edit 2: If you feel like responding, maybe make another thread so that this one doesn't get too derailed...idk. Vegeta already put the suspicion in everyone's minds that they may be foolin'. It makes no sense, after being told by a future boy that 2 Androids would come, on this exact day to that exact location and try to terrorize, which is exactly what happened, that Piccolo would just assume that there are other Androids who he's never been told about or knows exists. And he should have just assumed they exist, which completely goes against what the future boy said.



+ Pyrus	Sep 1 2014, 02:54 PM Post #20
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Android19 Sep 1 2014, 02:39 PM Pyrus Sep 1 2014, 02:28 PM Android19 Sep 1 2014, 02:22 PM Pyrus Sep 1 2014, 02:11 PM Clearin Sep 1 2014, 02:05 PM Yamcha said the Androids were even worse than the ones they'd been told about. Dr Gero > Yamcha's expectations > Freeza When was this? Android19 Sep 1 2014, 02:09 PM Pyrus Sep 1 2014, 02:04 PM Android19 Sep 1 2014, 02:02 PM Nothing says that Gero is stronger than Frieza. He didn't beat anyone we know is stronger than Frieza or do anything that says it. Just going by logic though, he would be weaker than him. Piccolo questioned whether Gero was the android(s) Trunks talked about. If Piccolo had to question it, that means Gero is at least nearing that level of power, which was by default stronger than Freeza, otherwise the question would be needless. At least nearing what level of power. Gero definitely wasn't nearing Android 18 and 17's power. Enough to stomp Trunks. That doesn't have to be C17 and C18's level of power. Ofcourse Piccolo questioned it. They completely fit the description of what Trunks said. 2 Androids out to terrorize the world. You think he should have just assumed that there are other, more powerful Androids with no basis? SuperSaiyanQ Ketchup Revenge Aug 31 2014, 03:39 AM SuperSaiyanQ Aug 31 2014, 03:24 AM Ketchup Revenge Aug 30 2014, 10:38 PM To be fair, there's actually no way to know how strong 20 was. Piccolo's not sure if he's a real android...there you go, that's how strong he is. Perhaps this is over my head, but what's your point? That says nothing about his strength. ~~What is Piccolo going off of, his age?~~ What I mean is that, he's not sure if 20 (post) is strong enough to be an android that Trunks spoke of or not (he asks, "are you too weak, or are we too strong?" [paraphrasing]), which I take to mean that he's not sure whether or not 20 lives up to the standards set by Trunks, which were essentially "these androids kick my butt and have terrifying strength." I believe that this basically means that 20 is stronger than Trunks, but the extent of his advantage is what makes Piccolo unsure ("is it large enough to warrant Trunks's description?" [paraphrasing his line again]). I think it should at least place 20 a little above Trunks from 3 years ago, because if he were weaker, then the obvious answer would be "you're too weak." I suppose you could say something about how 20 absorbs chi, but then I'd say that Piccolo would probably have an answer already..."I guess maybe you absorbed more chi in the future, somehow"...which is why I think he's referring to 20's current strength. Edit: I just felt like doing this. Edit 2: If you feel like responding, maybe make another thread so that this one doesn't get too derailed...idk. Vegeta already put the suspicion in everyone's minds that they may be foolin'. It makes no sense, after being told by a future boy that 2 Androids would come, on this exact day to that exact location and try to terrorize, which is exactly what happened, that Piccolo would just assume that there are other Androids who he's never been told about or knows exists. And he should have just assumed they exist, which completely goes against what the future boy said. Then take the other route. They all got too strong. Those are the only two options from Piccolo's statement — the androids were either not as strong as Trunks said (but strong enough to still crush him), or the Z-Fighters got so strong it didn't matter.
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SuperSaiyan1993	Sep 1 2014, 03:09 PM Post #21
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	Pyrus Sep 1 2014, 02:14 PM SuperSaiyan1993 Sep 1 2014, 02:12 PM SSJ Trunks easily one-shotted Mecha Frieza. SSJ Yardrat Goku was even more powerful than that. The fact that Sick SSJ Goku did not one-shot #19, or even significantly damage him, means that he has to be above Mecha Frieza at least. He did significantly damage him. C20 was afraid for C19's life near the end before C19 absorbed the Kamehameha. After absorbing the KHH, he was completely fine though Even before that, Goku wasn't causing anywhere near the damage that Vegeta and Piccolo inflicted
	We Super Saiyans are in a league of our own.


+ Emmeth	Sep 1 2014, 03:15 PM Post #22
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Has anyone said this about Piccolo? He was leveling up for two during the three years. It's more logical that he makes huge gains than anyone else.
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SuperSaiyan1993	Sep 1 2014, 03:17 PM Post #23
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	Emmeth Sep 1 2014, 03:15 PM Has anyone said this about Piccolo? He was leveling up for two during the three years. It's more logical that he makes huge gains than anyone else. My own personal theory is that a by-product of Namekian fusion is insane power increases from training.
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lazerbem	Sep 1 2014, 03:23 PM Post #24
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	I am very unkind to the Androids...but even at their worst, they're equal to Namek SSJ Goku and win due to absorption. Even in the opinion of one who sees the Androids as weak, they win
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~~GrooseStrikesBack~~	Sep 1 2014, 03:24 PM Post #25
Posts: 4,614 Group: Suspended Member #6,508 Joined: July 20, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Steve Austin Show: Unleashed. What Browser do you use? Can o Whoop Ass. Favourite Manga Family Friendly Version of the Steve Austin Show.	Emmeth Sep 1 2014, 03:15 PM Has anyone said this about Piccolo? He was leveling up for two during the three years. It's more logical that he makes huge gains than anyone else. But in Legacy of Goku II he only increased one level. Edited by GrooseStrikesBack, Sep 1 2014, 03:43 PM.



+ Emmeth	Sep 1 2014, 03:38 PM Post #26
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	TerrorOfPerfection Sep 1 2014, 03:24 PM Emmeth Sep 1 2014, 03:15 PM Has anyone said this about Piccolo? He was leveling up for two during the three years. It's more logical that he makes huge gains than anyone else. But it Legacy of Goku II he only increased one level. My apologies, bud. SuperSaiyan1993 Sep 1 2014, 03:17 PM Emmeth Sep 1 2014, 03:15 PM Has anyone said this about Piccolo? He was leveling up for two during the three years. It's more logical that he makes huge gains than anyone else. My own personal theory is that a by-product of Namekian fusion is insane power increases from training. I can see that. I'd even agree.
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+ Kyouks	Sep 1 2014, 06:31 PM Post #27
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	What was Yamcha's line, exactly? I've seen it before (in fanslations...), never paid it much mind though since both Vegeta and Piccolo seem to have their doubts about even the post-absorptions androids being as strong as Trunks made them out to be. I still usually have even 19 pre above Freeza, anyway, and I have 20 pre above that, maybe around 19 post's level at best.



+ Pyrus	Sep 1 2014, 06:34 PM Post #28
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Can't check my mangos upstairs, don't see it in the SC.
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+ Kyouks	Sep 1 2014, 06:39 PM Post #29
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Yeah, I checked SC before posting that...I was hoping that the wording would allow one to say that he's somehow talking about their absorption ability. Or maybe you could say that he only said it to Krillin and maybe Gohan because they're also not Super Saiyans, seeing as how he didn't want to fly off, but changed his mind once Krillin also went...or he's dumb



+ Clearin	Sep 1 2014, 06:45 PM Post #30
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Subbed Kai has it as "You guys, you don't get how horrible these androids are.". It's not on the strength checker so I can't do any better than that.



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