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Yakon vs No. 17 and No. 18
Topic Started: Aug 29 2014, 05:22 AM (5,178 Views)
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-Hard to suppress.
-Holds back to what appears to be exactly what Mighty Mask is at.

Seems convenient.
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Hurry My Curry
Aug 30 2014, 09:12 PM
-Hard to suppress.
-Holds back to what appears to be exactly what Mighty Mask is at.

Seems convenient.
Hehe, this is the reason I rank the Boo arc so low. AT figured "f*** Piccolo and everybody else. Saiyans is where it's at".
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I don't think that's poor writing at all. It's just clear that at the very least Goten and Trunks are on par with 18.
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For literally no reason. Trunks gets a pass as a Super Saiyan, but Goten is strong because plot demands it
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I always thought the base kids=18 was crazy. I had her suppressed heavily.

But assuming Sayians>Piccolo and the kids>18, how nerfed did the SSJ multiplier get?
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Mike XL
Aug 30 2014, 09:21 PM
I always thought the base kids=18 was crazy. I had her suppressed heavily.

But assuming Sayians>Piccolo and the kids>18, how nerfed did the SSJ multiplier get?
Or alternately how needed did Suoer Namek and being an Android get?
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Aug 30 2014, 09:23 PM
Mike XL
Aug 30 2014, 09:21 PM
I always thought the base kids=18 was crazy. I had her suppressed heavily.

But assuming Sayians>Piccolo and the kids>18, how nerfed did the SSJ multiplier get?
Or alternately how needed did Suoer Namek and being an Android get?
I know they outlived their usefulness to Toriyama, but it still makes no logical sense.
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Aug 30 2014, 09:21 PM
I always thought the base kids=18 was crazy. I had her suppressed heavily.

But assuming Sayians>Piccolo and the kids>18, how nerfed did the SSJ multiplier get?
Or alternately how needed did Suoer Namek and being an Android get?
I know they outlived their usefulness to Toriyama, but it still makes no logical sense.
In other words because plot development.
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Aug 30 2014, 09:29 PM
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Aug 30 2014, 09:23 PM
Mike XL
Aug 30 2014, 09:21 PM
I always thought the base kids=18 was crazy. I had her suppressed heavily.

But assuming Sayians>Piccolo and the kids>18, how nerfed did the SSJ multiplier get?
Or alternately how needed did Suoer Namek and being an Android get?
I know they outlived their usefulness to Toriyama, but it still makes no logical sense.
In other words because plot development.
Nothing wrong with plot centered powerups and such, but they should at least make sense.
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Aug 30 2014, 09:12 PM
-Hard to suppress.
-Holds back to what appears to be exactly what Mighty Mask is at.

Seems convenient.
Then by that logic we have

Trunks > Goten
Goten can contest Gohan

18 is on par with Gohan then at the very least
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That's not a problem for me, because I think Goten and Trunks are way stronger than the Androids even in base.
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Android Duo > Yakon> Android 17> Android 18

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I don't think that's poor writing at all. It's just clear that at the very least Goten and Trunks are on par with 18.

I would more say it's ridiculous writing

Also I am aware that Lazuli is 18's name, since AT said it and it doesn't contradict the manga. I just think it's dumb.
Edited by POOHEAD189, Aug 30 2014, 11:12 PM.
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Aug 30 2014, 07:33 PM
Conjecture is subjective.
Conjecture is speculation, or an assumption.
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Aug 30 2014, 08:09 PM
potentially killing said human.
You're right...if she doesn't fight at his level, he might die, like the person she knocked out a few seconds before. Good point, I never saw it before.
Emmeth
Aug 30 2014, 09:14 PM
AT figured "f*** Piccolo and everybody else. Saiyans is where it's at".
Oh, so you know, but you're biased. But I knew that already ^.^
Kblo247
Aug 30 2014, 09:58 PM
Then by that logic we have

Trunks > Goten
Goten can contest Gohan

18 is on par with Gohan then at the very least
Not seeing the problem...point me in the right direction, will you?
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Do you doubt the fact that Gohan could beat Yakon?

If you cite Goten giving Gohan trouble, trunks being stronger than Goten, and 18 as superior than Trunks. ... Logic in turn points to 18 as equal, better, or a minuscule bit weaker than Gohan. 17 is superior to her as we all know so that means he is superior to base Gohan

17 > 18 ~ Gohan > Trunks > Goten ..... That's my scale.

I feel they beat Yakon if they fight half as well as their future alternate selves did in tandem,
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Aug 31 2014, 05:35 AM
Do you doubt the fact that Gohan could beat Yakon?
Base Gohan, sure. Disregarding the kids, I'd still say that Yakon's at least fairly close to Base Goku's power...Gohan, who's been as easygoing as the other two Saiyans up until now, offers Goku assistance when he thinks that Goku shouldn't use Super Saiyan anymore, and he's a lot weaker than even Vegeta.
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