Yakon vs No. 17 and No. 18

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Yakon vs No. 17 and No. 18
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+ Emmeth	Aug 29 2014, 08:29 PM Post #16
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Alright, we'll get back to topic now Yakon should take this since he's on par with Goku who should be above Androids at this point.
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+ Pyrus	Aug 29 2014, 08:57 PM Post #17
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	xGOKUdaFALLENx Aug 29 2014, 07:35 PM I'll put them slightly over Lazuli then, but the end result will be the same. Slightly over, when Trunks' suppressed blast is what forced C18 to end the match right then instead of continuing it, for her safety?
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Hurry My Curry	Aug 29 2014, 10:34 PM Post #18
Master Troll Posts: 3,800 Group: Members Member #7,981 Joined: July 20, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Yakon is around base Goku who is stronger than Goten who is way way stronger than 18, so I'll say Yakon takes this
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+ Solid Snake	Aug 29 2014, 11:44 PM Post #19
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Pyrus Aug 29 2014, 08:57 PM xGOKUdaFALLENx Aug 29 2014, 07:35 PM I'll put them slightly over Lazuli then, but the end result will be the same. Slightly over, when Trunks' suppressed blast is what forced C18 to end the match right then instead of continuing it, for her safety? Okay? She just said she was going to win afterwards, but instead of dragging the fight, she purposely blew their cover. Easily explained.
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+ Pyrus	Aug 30 2014, 04:15 AM Post #20
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	xGOKUdaFALLENx Aug 29 2014, 11:44 PM Pyrus Aug 29 2014, 08:57 PM xGOKUdaFALLENx Aug 29 2014, 07:35 PM I'll put them slightly over Lazuli then, but the end result will be the same. Slightly over, when Trunks' suppressed blast is what forced C18 to end the match right then instead of continuing it, for her safety? Okay? She just said she was going to win afterwards, but instead of dragging the fight, she purposely blew their cover. Easily explained. Trunks' suppressed ki blast scared C18 badly enough that she went for the Kienzan to end the match the right away instead of risking her life for a tournament. Does that make more sense now that I put it that way?
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+ Solid Snake	Aug 30 2014, 04:20 AM Post #21
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Kblo247	Aug 30 2014, 04:22 AM Post #22
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	Pyrus Aug 30 2014, 04:15 AM xGOKUdaFALLENx Aug 29 2014, 11:44 PM Pyrus Aug 29 2014, 08:57 PM xGOKUdaFALLENx Aug 29 2014, 07:35 PM I'll put them slightly over Lazuli then, but the end result will be the same. Slightly over, when Trunks' suppressed blast is what forced C18 to end the match right then instead of continuing it, for her safety? Okay? She just said she was going to win afterwards, but instead of dragging the fight, she purposely blew their cover. Easily explained. Trunks' suppressed ki blast scared C18 badly enough that she went for the Kienzan to end the match the right away instead of risking her life for a tournament. Does that make more sense now that I put it that way? Her daughter is in the crowd. Trunks wasn't thinking fire that stupid blast. And we aren't shown she has an automatic barrier like 17 to protect herself and the area round her. She ended it, and her first priority wasn't a good fight, but money for her family which is why she threw the next fight willingly.



+ Kyouks	Aug 30 2014, 05:23 AM Post #23
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Her daughter was a fish?



SSJ	Aug 30 2014, 05:25 AM Post #24
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	I think Acorn takes this with the utmost ease. I remember people used to have the big brown man as strong as Semi Perfect Cell.



+ Pyrus	Aug 30 2014, 05:43 AM Post #25
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	xGOKUdaFALLENx Aug 30 2014, 04:20 AM Caution not scared. Maybe I'm seeing things, but this looks like a terrified face if I've ever seen one. Chapter: 453 (DBZ 259), P8.4, P9.1-7 Context: as Trunks and Goten fight No.18 Trunks: “Da-dammit! We can’t win like this!” Goten: “Let’s turn into Super Saiyans, Trunks-kun!” Trunks: “Th-that it. We’ve got this thing on, so she won’t be able to tell who we are…Alright! Shall we turn into [Super Saiyans]?” Goten: “Yeah!” No.18: “…He really is a weird bastard…His arms and legs are extremely small for his body…And he’s so unusually strong…” they become Super Saiyans No.18: “!!” Trunks: “Either way, we’re at a disadvantage in this getup, so we’ve got no choice but to settle this with a kiai cannon!” Goten: “Eh! But will she be alright?...” Trunks: “Don’t worry, she won’t die if we do it appropriately. She’s No.18…” Chapter: 453 (DBZ 259), P10.1-2 Context: as Trunks prepares to fire a ki blast at No.18 No.18: “…I see…Super Saiyan, huh?...I finally know your identity, boys…” Goten: “Don’t do it at full force!” Trunks: “I know, I know!” KyoQ If one were to look at the fight between #18 and the Saiyan boys, Goten and Trunks, inside the "Mighty Mask" costume, it would appear that they are more or less in the vicinity of each other in terms of power, given that the fight doesn't show a large gap in power, and given that the costume is also stated to be restricting the movements of the boys. One might argue, however, that #18 was holding back by a significant margin, and that she is, as a result, actually superior to the Base boys by a fair margin at least. Naturally, the burden of proof^[1] is on the person who is making the claim that #18 held back. Rational Wiki "Burden of proof" or in Latin, onus probandi, is the obligation that somebody presenting a new or remarkable idea has to provide evidence to support it. Should s/he be unable to prove his/her claim, then one should take the fight for what it is and draw power-related conclusions from that and the statements that we actually do have – nothing more. You'd agree, yes? I could use a less controversial example to prove my point better: Say someone claimed that Freeza held back against Super Saiyan Goku. The burden of proof is on that person, but the claim is baseless, and as such, we can conclude that Freeza did not hold back. And now... Kblo247 Aug 30 2014, 04:22 AM Pyrus Aug 30 2014, 04:15 AM xGOKUdaFALLENx Aug 29 2014, 11:44 PM Pyrus Aug 29 2014, 08:57 PM xGOKUdaFALLENx Aug 29 2014, 07:35 PM I'll put them slightly over Lazuli then, but the end result will be the same. Slightly over, when Trunks' suppressed blast is what forced C18 to end the match right then instead of continuing it, for her safety? Okay? She just said she was going to win afterwards, but instead of dragging the fight, she purposely blew their cover. Easily explained. Trunks' suppressed ki blast scared C18 badly enough that she went for the Kienzan to end the match the right away instead of risking her life for a tournament. Does that make more sense now that I put it that way? Her daughter is in the crowd. Trunks wasn't thinking fire that stupid blast. And we aren't shown she has an automatic barrier like 17 to protect herself and the area round her. She ended it, and her first priority wasn't a good fight, but money for her family which is why she threw the next fight willingly. http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8506409&t=8369378 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8506445&t=8369378 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8307536&t=8297103 http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8307573&t=8297103 ^[1] http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof Edited by Pyrus, Aug 30 2014, 05:57 AM.
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+ Kyouks	Aug 30 2014, 05:57 AM Post #26
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Pyrus Aug 30 2014, 05:43 AM Maybe I'm seeing things, but this looks like a terrified face if I've ever seen one. She was very surprised that little boys could do that. Pyrus Jul 16 2012, 09:26 PM She was still sweating when she said she had to end it. Piccolo lookout sweat blah blah shut up. Pyrus Jul 16 2012, 09:26 PM #18: "Trunks! Goten! I'm gonna win this!!" See? She's at least relevant. Pyrus Jul 16 2012, 09:26 PM Instead of scolding them about being reckless, she brought up her winning the match, just seconds after witnessing Trunks' attack and deciding the match needed to end. Yes, quick to act, very smart. Pyrus Jul 16 2012, 09:26 PM Why would she do that if she was so worried about the safety of everyone else? Surely her daughter's safety would be more of a priority than winning the match, don't you think? Winning would ensure the safety of the bystanders, of course. Pyrus Jul 16 2012, 10:09 PM You didn't explain why she complimented the attack when she pretty much laughed at Vegeta's strength She's speaking on behalf of the fish. Pyrus Jul 16 2012, 10:09 PM why she started talking about winning the match instead of the safety of the situation after said attack, Best way to save the fish. Pyrus Jul 16 2012, 10:09 PM and why she didn't just beat them down instead of using the Kienzan. Punishin' those dumb kids for threatening all those fish, clearly.



+ Pyrus	Aug 30 2014, 06:04 AM Post #27
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	SuperSaiyanQ Aug 30 2014, 05:57 AM Pyrus Aug 30 2014, 05:43 AM Maybe I'm seeing things, but this looks like a terrified face if I've ever seen one. She was very surprised that little boys could do that. Pyrus Jul 16 2012, 09:26 PM She was still sweating when she said she had to end it. Piccolo lookout sweat blah blah shut up. Pyrus Jul 16 2012, 09:26 PM #18: "Trunks! Goten! I'm gonna win this!!" See? She's at least relevant. Pyrus Jul 16 2012, 09:26 PM Instead of scolding them about being reckless, she brought up her winning the match, just seconds after witnessing Trunks' attack and deciding the match needed to end. Yes, quick to act, very smart. Pyrus Jul 16 2012, 09:26 PM Why would she do that if she was so worried about the safety of everyone else? Surely her daughter's safety would be more of a priority than winning the match, don't you think? Winning would ensure the safety of the bystanders, of course. Pyrus Jul 16 2012, 10:09 PM You didn't explain why she complimented the attack when she pretty much laughed at Vegeta's strength She's speaking on behalf of the fish. Pyrus Jul 16 2012, 10:09 PM why she started talking about winning the match instead of the safety of the situation after said attack, Best way to save the fish. Pyrus Jul 16 2012, 10:09 PM and why she didn't just beat them down instead of using the Kienzan. Punishin' those dumb kids for threatening all those fish, clearly. I've got nothing. Absolutely defeated. Here's my towel, wash it for me when you're done...
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+ Solid Snake	Aug 30 2014, 06:44 AM Post #28
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	Okay, but SSJ Goten is in SSJ Gohan's level since they both were training with each other and are near rivals. I'd just put her about 1.4x weaker than Goten and Trunks as SSJ.
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TheACE	Aug 30 2014, 07:58 AM Post #29
The Last GT Fighter Posts: 4,146 Group: Member Member #9,279 Joined: March 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DB/Z/GT, Digimon, YYH, Yugioh!, GetBackers What Browser do you use? Chrome, Safari, IE Favourite Manga Rave Master, FLCL, .hack//legendofthetwilight, Naruto II	xGOKUdaFALLENx Aug 30 2014, 06:44 AM Okay, but SSJ Goten is in SSJ Gohan's level since they both were training with each other and are near rivals. I'd just put her about 1.4x weaker than Goten and Trunks as SSJ. Gohan was training Goten. And getting back into shape himself. I never saw a single frame that implicated Goten was remotely a match for Gohan. On Subject, it took a Super Saiyan to bring down Yakkon. I'd say two Androids could probably do it. Worst case they can do the same thing Goku did and overload the long finger nailed freak since they never run out of energy and can keep blasting. 17 and 18 are near Super Namek level, and 18 definetly stepped her game up to still have a solid edge on Goten and Trunks there.
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POOHEAD189	Aug 30 2014, 08:15 AM Post #30
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	xGOKUdaFALLENx Aug 29 2014, 07:29 PM Are we forgetting that Piccolo's performance plays a part in the Artificial Human's power? Besides, didn't Lazuli fight both Goten and Trunks as SSJs? With Lapis even stronger to rival Piccolo, who I think is just a tiny bit below base Saiyans, I can see Lapis and Lazuli winning. Plus, they can fire a barrage of Ki blasts so Yakon's dumb tail will just poof. Base Adult Saiyans >~ Yakon >~ Piccolo = Lapis > / > SSJ Goten and Trunks = Lazuli > Base Kids Who's Lazuli? Please don't tell me you're using those names Toriyama mentioned for the Androids (i'm sorry. it's just lolz to me) Also, Goku being stronger than 18 doesn't mean too much, since 17 is stronger as well and 18 isn't that far behind Goku. I think both can beat Yakon, but individually Yakon would probably win. Also, the whole 18's reaction to Trunks ki attack... 1, she had no idea that Mighty Mask could do Ki attacks. And 2, Toriyama was clearly making Android 18 more personable and less 'mysterious' than when she fought Vegeta here. He wanted to make her more like a main cast member than a killer android so of course she'll act a bit more surprised, regardless of Trunk's ki attack strength. Edited by POOHEAD189, Aug 30 2014, 08:22 AM.
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