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Frieza vs Pui Pui
Topic Started: Aug 27 2014, 01:43 AM (4,721 Views)
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I think pocus is only a bit stronger than first form frieza, so frieza kills him. However yakon is easily superior ti frieza
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I find it odd how easily people can ridicule Pocus, but still think Base saiyans are above Full Power Freeza.
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How are the two linked together?
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I never thought Pui Pui was anything over 1 million, to be honest. Kaioshin freaking out is nothing special, that his MO.
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Pyrus
Aug 27 2014, 08:39 AM
and then later used the fight with Pui-Pui as a gauge for assessing the strength of Saiyans.
No chi sensing and no eyes on the Kai? Don't go discrediting him by trying not to discredit him...
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Aug 27 2014, 11:02 AM
Babidi and Kaioshin have a history
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Aug 27 2014, 10:58 AM
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Aug 27 2014, 05:01 AM
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Aug 27 2014, 04:59 AM
Kai can't sense power levels.
Chapter: 444 (DBZ 250), P7.1-4
Gohan: “Well, I’ve become a Super Saiyan. Now what? Is it alright if I fight like this?”
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Kaioshin: “…No, even so this is magnificent energy, more so than I imagined…I wonder if I’ll be able to stop this power…”

Chapter: 474 (DBZ 280), P7.8, P8.1-2
Context: after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan 3
Gohan: “”Th-this ki…Don’t tell me…it’s father?...No…It’s not…”
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s right…It’s Son Goku…! Th-this truly is absolutely incredible energy…”
And yet after seeing Goha transform into SSJ2 right before his eyes he still thinks the Z fighters can't beat/will have trouble with Pui Pui. So are you saying that Base Vegeta > SSJ2 Gohan? Ofcourse not. Kai's power reading ability is very very questionable to say the least. Him being scared of Pui Pui, (which was actually just because he was Babadi's men, not because he knew Pui Pui's power, as all he says is Babadi's fighters are strong, not that Pui Pui himself is powerful) means nothing.
You conveniently skipped the part where he remembered Gohan's power only after the Pui-Pui fight.

@SSQ: I'll pretend I understood your mumbling and say derp.
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Aug 27 2014, 04:59 AM
Kai can't sense power levels. Even after Gohan goes releases all that energy and goes SSJ2 right in front of his eyes he still thinks the Z fighters can't beat Babadi's men. Kai isn't specifically intimidated by Pui Pui, he just say that Babadi's warriors are incredibly strong, he just thinks Pui Pui is strong but he isn't.
Even if he can't never corrected himself on PuiPui's power and continued to use him as a measuring stick post battle implying he knew his power the entire time. So if he knew his power the entire time and was still scared of him to the point that he wanted to quadruple team him... That just speaks for itself.

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Aug 27 2014, 05:38 PM
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Aug 27 2014, 04:59 AM
Kai can't sense power levels.
Chapter: 444 (DBZ 250), P7.1-4
Gohan: “Well, I’ve become a Super Saiyan. Now what? Is it alright if I fight like this?”
[...]
Kaioshin: “…No, even so this is magnificent energy, more so than I imagined…I wonder if I’ll be able to stop this power…”

Chapter: 474 (DBZ 280), P7.8, P8.1-2
Context: after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan 3
Gohan: “”Th-this ki…Don’t tell me…it’s father?...No…It’s not…”
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s right…It’s Son Goku…! Th-this truly is absolutely incredible energy…”
And yet after seeing Goha transform into SSJ2 right before his eyes he still thinks the Z fighters can't beat/will have trouble with Pui Pui. So are you saying that Base Vegeta > SSJ2 Gohan? Ofcourse not. Kai's power reading ability is very very questionable to say the least. Him being scared of Pui Pui, (which was actually just because he was Babadi's men, not because he knew Pui Pui's power, as all he says is Babadi's fighters are strong, not that Pui Pui himself is powerful) means nothing.
You conveniently skipped the part where he remembered Gohan's power only after the Pui-Pui fight.

@SSQ: I'll pretend I understood your mumbling and say derp.
When did he suddenly remember Gohan's power after the Pui Pui beat down?
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Aug 27 2014, 05:01 AM
Android19
Aug 27 2014, 04:59 AM
Kai can't sense power levels.
Chapter: 444 (DBZ 250), P7.1-4
Gohan: “Well, I’ve become a Super Saiyan. Now what? Is it alright if I fight like this?”
[...]
Kaioshin: “…No, even so this is magnificent energy, more so than I imagined…I wonder if I’ll be able to stop this power…”

Chapter: 474 (DBZ 280), P7.8, P8.1-2
Context: after Goku transforms into a Super Saiyan 3
Gohan: “”Th-this ki…Don’t tell me…it’s father?...No…It’s not…”
Kaioshin: “Th-that’s right…It’s Son Goku…! Th-this truly is absolutely incredible energy…”
And yet after seeing Goha transform into SSJ2 right before his eyes he still thinks the Z fighters can't beat/will have trouble with Pui Pui. So are you saying that Base Vegeta > SSJ2 Gohan? Ofcourse not. Kai's power reading ability is very very questionable to say the least. Him being scared of Pui Pui, (which was actually just because he was Babadi's men, not because he knew Pui Pui's power, as all he says is Babadi's fighters are strong, not that Pui Pui himself is powerful) means nothing.
You conveniently skipped the part where he remembered Gohan's power only after the Pui-Pui fight.

@SSQ: I'll pretend I understood your mumbling and say derp.
When did he suddenly remember Gohan's power after the Pui Pui beat down?
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Chapter: 450 (DBZ 256), P2.5, P3.5
Context: after Vegeta and Goku talk about Dabra not being that great
Kaioshin: “Un-unbelievable. Is this ‘Super Saiyan’ thing really this great?...Come to think of it, it was quite hard to stop Son Gohan from moving after he became a Super Saiyan…And even that might not have been his full power…”


"Come to think of it" = "Oh yeah, now that you mention it" = "I remember now"

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Kaioshin is the same guy who no sold SSJ Gohan at the tournament but shat himself at the suppressed Sayians.

I don't think his emotions mean much in the context of a debate.
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Aug 27 2014, 06:58 PM
Kaioshin is the same guy who no sold SSJ Gohan at the tournament but shat himself at the suppressed Sayians.

I don't think his emotions mean much in the context of a debate.
Hmm but you are guilty of commitin a non sequitar young lad. His inability to sense power as shown to be natural in BoG would be a more logical explanation here. He would naturally still gauge power by watching battles, and he still was all ok PuiPui's power estimated placement of being quite a few rungs above Freeza after watching him fight.

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Why y'all puttin words in Kaioshin's mouth? You're competent enough to make a case without making stuff up.
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You talkin to me bub?

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Maybe Kaisohin can feel general energy but because of the deaths of the other Kais he was never taught to properly read a power level. Maybe the significance of Goku's power was that he could feel it all the way from the planet of the Kais. As for Pui Pui, well he knew vegeta was kicking his a*** obviously, but he probably thought Vegeta had acquired that power training on Earth and therefore was completely un-adapted to 10x gravity. It's the same as the ROSAT having such great affects on the z fighters, it was only 10x gravity but they were completely unused to the wild temperature variations and thin oxygen supply combined with 10x gravity.
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Pocus brutalizes Freeza with ease. Yakon eats Freeza alive
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