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Tenshinhan (23rd Tourney) vs. Entire U.S. Military
Topic Started: Aug 16 2014, 05:01 PM (6,805 Views)
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Tien at the 23rd vs. The Modern United States military. No Nukes, preferably, since this would probably be fought on American soil.
Tha gaol agam ort. <3
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The US would still ni keep him or release an experimental weapon of town appeared.
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@Brofist - That was beautiful and I can not stop laughing

@supersaqer - You said that Tien can dodge sound pretty easily ?

Actually even if he could somehow see/sense the sound wave approaching it is a wave that by definition will go in all directions. Literally un-dodge-able. I made a point on a previous page that he could use a Kiai to protect himself from it.

Since mentioning that idea I've noticed the problem with it is unless the soldiers say "We are firing the sound weapon right now from this position and it will reach you in x number of seconds!" he's not going to be able to see or sense it in order to defend himself in time while in the heat of battle.

It goes from "flawless victory" to "good game bro" pretty quickly after that.
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RaineStorm
Aug 18 2014, 02:48 AM
@Brofist - That was beautiful and I can not stop laughing

@supersaqer - You said that Tien can dodge sound pretty easily ?

Actually even if he could somehow see/sense the sound wave approaching it is a wave that by definition will go in all directions. Literally un-dodge-able. I made a point on a previous page that he could use a Kiai to protect himself from it.

Since mentioning that idea I've noticed the problem with it is unless the soldiers say "We are firing the sound weapon right now from this position and it will reach you in x number of seconds!" he's not going to be able to see or sense it in order to defend himself in time while in the heat of battle.

It goes from "flawless victory" to "good game bro" pretty quickly after that.
It won't kill him, and he can pretty much use his sensing abilities to detect danger.
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Aug 18 2014, 02:51 AM
It won't kill him, and he can pretty much use his sensing abilities to detect danger.
So he's Spiderman now? :p


It wouldn't work like that, the only person who could arguably sense something like that is Goku when he can harness Genki since sound could be attributed to the energy of the planet but even that's doubtful, Tien is a different story entirely.

To be able to dodge a sound wave you can't see or hear until it hits you is just impossible it would be like seeing a lightbulb on before someone turned it on, that is essentially what Tien would have to achieve only with sound.

Blast some Justin Bieber at him, he's going down.


This fight would be like ants taking on a Rhinoceros Beetle, it's tough as heck but with all of them together they get there eventually.
He might be able to tank individual explosions or bullets but that doesn't mean he's immune to sustained fire.
Once you rise up above the damage something does it doesn't mean it can't hurt you ever, or else fighting in DBZ would be useless, unless you want to say that punches and kicks do the same amount of damage as the beams etc it takes to kill people.

So like punches and kicks in the series bombs and high calibre bullets would eventually wear Tien down.
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Aug 18 2014, 01:57 PM
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It won't kill him, and he can pretty much use his sensing abilities to detect danger.
So he's Spiderman now? :p


It wouldn't work like that, the only person who could arguably sense something like that is Goku when he can harness Genki since sound could be attributed to the energy of the planet but even that's doubtful, Tien is a different story entirely.

To be able to dodge a sound wave you can't see or hear until it hits you is just impossible it would be like seeing a lightbulb on before someone turned it on, that is essentially what Tien would have to achieve only with sound.

Blast some Justin Bieber at him, he's going down.


This fight would be like ants taking on a Rhinoceros Beetle, it's tough as heck but with all of them together they get there eventually.
He might be able to tank individual explosions or bullets but that doesn't mean he's immune to sustained fire.
Once you rise up above the damage something does it doesn't mean it can't hurt you ever, or else fighting in DBZ would be useless, unless you want to say that punches and kicks do the same amount of damage as the beams etc it takes to kill people.

So like punches and kicks in the series bombs and high calibre bullets would eventually wear Tien down.
Maybe :p

Sensing should be present in this time. I don't think sound will take him down, neither conventional weapons.
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Sensing is only at a very basic level for those who haven't trained at Kami's. It's more like a sharp instinct rather than feeling a person's ki.


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Sensing is only at a very basic level for those who haven't trained at Kami's. It's more like a sharp instinct rather than feeling a person's ki.
Sensing is better than not sensing at all.
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Tien's eyesight is his sensing at this point. If this was post Kami training, then he'd sense any weapons coming at him. But to be fair, one of the reasons he lost to Goku in the 23rd is because he couldn't sense the vibrations in the air like Goku. He could only see really well.
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Much of this depends on his level of durability and how much damage he can take.

It's hard for me to say. If he could tank bombs at this point, he'd probably win. If not, no
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Aug 18 2014, 01:57 PM
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Aug 18 2014, 02:51 AM
It won't kill him, and he can pretty much use his sensing abilities to detect danger.
So he's Spiderman now? :p


It wouldn't work like that, the only person who could arguably sense something like that is Goku when he can harness Genki since sound could be attributed to the energy of the planet but even that's doubtful, Tien is a different story entirely.

To be able to dodge a sound wave you can't see or hear until it hits you is just impossible it would be like seeing a lightbulb on before someone turned it on, that is essentially what Tien would have to achieve only with sound.

Blast some Justin Bieber at him, he's going down.


This fight would be like ants taking on a Rhinoceros Beetle, it's tough as heck but with all of them together they get there eventually.
He might be able to tank individual explosions or bullets but that doesn't mean he's immune to sustained fire.
Once you rise up above the damage something does it doesn't mean it can't hurt you ever, or else fighting in DBZ would be useless, unless you want to say that punches and kicks do the same amount of damage as the beams etc it takes to kill people.

So like punches and kicks in the series bombs and high calibre bullets would eventually wear Tien down.
No man made bullets are going to wear down tien, goku in the red ribbon army made that quite clear

23td tourney Tien>>>>red ribbon army kid goku

And no nuke will ever hit him since he will be in the air all a nuke will accomplish is killing their own men

You aren't damaging tien with bullets hoping you will wear him down it will never hurt him the attacks need to be on the same level as him
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Still, Tenshinhan is capable of easily withstanding a Nuclear Bomb, but it's restricted in this fight.

Ten clearly solos the army. There's no doubt about that.
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You've got to be either trolling or stupid to believe that 23rd Budokai Tien could survive a nuclear bomb. If he were that tough then Tao's knife would have broke on his chest instead of cutting it.


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Aug 22 2014, 10:49 AM
You've got to be either trolling or stupid to believe that 23rd Budokai Tien could survive a nuclear bomb. If he were that tough then Tao's knife would have broke on his chest instead of cutting it.
You're the one being stupid here (not saying it in an offensive way). Tao's knife should have been enhanced with both his physical strength and his Ki. Tenshinhan was also caught off guard with it.

Why do you think I'd be trolling too? I have evidence to support my claims. Piccolo's casual blasts are city level, and his most powerful blast (which was weakened at the time) completely wiped everything, didn't leave a sign that a city was here (and it was probably the capital, if not a big city too), and the attack dwarfed mountains.

No nuclear device ever shown is capable of doing this. Even if there was a nuclear bomb capable of doing this, then Ten would still survive it easily. Piccolo was in the epicenter of that blast (where at the time, he was weakened too), and nothing notable happened to him. That Piccolo is a lot weaker than this Ten.

Even if Ten cannot survive a nuclear bomb without injures, he can fly before it explodes. Ten should have more than enough speed to get away from the blast, and they would be hurting their soldiers instead of Ten.

Anyways, in the OP, nukes were restricted from this fight. Ten will solo the whole world easily. We don't even have anything remotely close to weakened Piccolo's blast, which can cross an island close to the size of Australia in a second, and weakened Goku dodged it. Full Power Ten should be close to Goku's speed, nor we have anything close to Piccolo's blast, which still won't do anything to Ten.
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Tien wasn't caught off guard with the knife. He was caught by it fair and square. I don't recall seeing any ki aura around it either. It was just a very sharp knife. I estimate that the force Tao attacked was the same as a bullet coming out of a gun. So we can add that to it as well. Regardless that still doesn't equal the same power of a nuclear explosion or even a tank shell exploding. Speaking of Tao obviously he was weaker than 23rd Tien by quite a bit even after cybernetic enhancements, however, how many times stronger would Tien have needed to be to survive something like what Tao had done to him? I.e the grenade. I think if one grenade can mangle someone like Tao then Tien even at the 23rd isn't going to be tanking many explosions.

Tien's flight speed at this time isn't super sonic. He isn't avoiding large blasts.

I don't know what island you're referring to. Papaya island didn't even look as big as the Isle of White let alone Australia.


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