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It is not inconsistency. I proved in an old topic here that 23rd TB Goku is moon level. That moves fine as we've seen Piccolo generating enough power to wipe and raze an island comparable to the size of a small continent even though Goku absorbed some of the blast.

Itachi

Aug 24 2014, 09:38 PM

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It is not inconsistency. I proved in an old topic here that 23rd TB Goku is moon level. That moves fine as we've seen Piccolo generating enough power to wipe and raze an island comparable to the size of a small continent even though Goku absorbed some of the blast.

As everything has already been answered by someone else, I'll reply to only this.

Your proof was wrong in someway since Goku claimed that Piccolo's island shaking shockwave was even greater than moon busting. And even if you did prove it wouldn't remove the inconsistency of Boo's charged beam doing the same damage.

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Although he did state that Piccolo's explosion was the greatest ki he felt, but doesn't have to include himself. He completely withstood the explosion, but wouldn't be capable of withstanding the Super Kamehameha in that crippled state. Goku probably meant it's the greatest ki he ever felt from somebody, and not including himself.

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Base Goku, during the Frieza Saga, kicked Frieza through multiple islands. That's a feat much much more impressive than Boo's. And before Goku fought Frieza, Vegeta's blast was stated to be capable of destroying Namek, a huge planet. We also have a weakened King Piccolo removing a city off the map, and the blast was dwarfing mountains. Boo's feat is inconsistent, but the others aren't. Unless you're going to say that Boo = King Piccolo or something.

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King Piccolo's most powerful blast at that time, as he was weakened, dwarfed mountains, and completely wiped the city off the map. Then we have Piccolo's explosion which even after Goku absorbed some of it, and Piccolo was weakened himself, it still wiped everything off the island and razed it. An island comparable to the size of a small continent. It moves smoothly.

Goku was the strongest in the 23rd TB, and he was probably fresh at the time of releasing the Super Kamehameha. The Super Kamehameha was his strongest technique too, so about it being moon level isn't so out of reach.

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A character's respective ki has been compared multiple times to opposing ki. There's no reason to believe it wasn't in this case apart from wanting one blast to seem stronger than the other.

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Once again saying something is inconsistent isn't some weapon that you use in arguments. When claiming inconsistency you don't choose one feat over another unless you're biased. That, or you try find another all inclusive theory or explanation such failure of fan scaling among other ideas. Or as CC explained on Infinity it's possible and likely the the universe, moon and other planets are dissimilar to our own. If we go by the sketch in the Daiz (I don't not being a Daiz fan, among other issues) then the universe is under 10 million miles in diameter.

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I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong about Goku's blast being "moon level", just that it's inconsistent with other feats such as Boo's, SPC's crater, among others. Choosing the one you prefer in this argument shows your lack of objectivity.

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He probably compared his "Ki" to the power Piccolo was generating, not to his technique.

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Of all of the feats in the series, why would you choose Boo's feat? It's clearly inconsistent. I'm unsure about the universe argument CC made, and the sketch in the Daiz. It's vague.

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SPC's crater? Cell was fighting Gohan in a beam struggle, so the crater that was created doesn't mean that Cell's attack is weak. He stated that he can destroy the solar system with it. If he couldn't, then why would he say that? If he couldn't even blow up the Earth, why would he say the solar system?

Boo's feat is the only thing I see inconsistent, as well as Roshi's moon busting (as I take it as a gag scene).

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Either way it was in the context of the blast. If he was comparing the ki Piccolo was generating then he'd be referring to the ki he generated for his own blast.

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I'm not choosing Boo's feat, I'm merely saying that your argument is inconsistent because of it. I'm not saying that Goku isn't an X buster, just that the evidence is sufficient due to contradictions to make a palatable argument.

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I thought SPC's blast that took out half of Gohan's ki made a crater? Maybe I'm wrong. There's tons of other examples. I just picked went to a random scene and found a blast meant to kill Gohan by Freeza do absolutely jack.

Roshi's scene doesn't have to be a gag scene if you simply have him amping to Saiyan Saga levels through a glorified USSJ boost.

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So you do think that crippled Goku can withstand Super Kamehameha with some effort?

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But that feat is inconsistent, and you can take it as a grain of salt.

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What took out half of Gohan's ki was his blast, but Gohan took on the blast to save Vegeta, so that doesn't count.

If that was the case, then Roshi would have destroyed Old Piccolo, but it's not.

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I don't know nor do I see the relevancy.

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Once again just saying things like vague and inconsistent aren't arguments by themselves. They just show that you shouldn't make the argument for or against, unless you can encompass all off the feats under a single umbrella.

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OK that does sound about right. Gohan should've taken the brunt of the attack.

There's still tons of other situations way past Vegeta's claimed planet busting in the Namek and Cell saga where blasts don't amount to anything such as Freeza against Gohan along with a handful after the scene.

Potato Underling

Aug 25 2014, 12:12 PM

The United States Armed Forces, has a combined strength of 1,367,000 personnel including reserve personnel. No where near the amount of 2 million soldiers being through around, just clearing that up. As for having one a couple hundred planes, that is entirely incorrect. We have over 2,700 fixed wing figter air craft in our Air Force alone. These are planes that require pilots not including drones, support aircraft, Apaches, etc. The Army, Navy and the Marine Corps have an additional combined total of 800 fixed wing fighters. Brining our total of jet fighters to near 4000. That is quite a bit more than 100. The lowest grade fighter craft we have is the F/18, these fly at speeds of 1900km/h. Our F-22 fighters fly at speeds well over 2500km/h, we have 350 F-22s in stock. In addition to that we have prototype F-35s which our being developed to have a speed of 3000 albeit only a couple of them are actually operational. We have 12 Aircraft Carriers which means our planes can be fueled and mobilized anywhere with no need for a base. Let's say he magically using his god powerful "casual blasts" kills 750,000 Army personnel, The Navy (which have submarines armed with tomahawk missiles with are damn close to a nuke), and 300,000 marines. I highly doubt he could survive well over 4000 jets along with 1000 attack choppers and AC-130s coming at him with speeds well over 2000km\h all at once firing god knows what, every missile and bullet the US could get their hands on, and every f***ed up disease known to man being dropped on him.

Well unless of course he fires one of those casual blasts and just kills everyone.

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You could place them under two umbrellas, as you say . One is that they're inconsistent, and the other that they just have the range of that level

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But they are meant to destroy the character, not the environment they're in.

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Or you could basically say the feats are inconsistent. Two choices.