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| Graffiti | Aug 15 2014, 10:50 AM Post #1 |
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Whats this talk that I hear alot about Hamas throwing bombs into Israel? I've never heard that. People who say that are just irrelevant. Israel's been occupying Palestine since 1948 and causing problems for the Palestinians. This stuff that's going on now is just a everyday thing in Gaza or whereever. Whoever supports Israel, don't y'all If it was in my hands, I'd get America to stop supporting the Israeli government. I'm Canadian and I don't really agree with my own government for doing so. It just sickens me whenever I see pictures of dead children in Gaza on the net. I'm not saying all Israeli's bad, alot of them are good people that are against the occupation in general, its just ones that support the killing of innocent people that I don't like. They are just doing what the Nazi's did to them so long ago. Edited by Graffiti, Aug 15 2014, 10:59 AM.
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| + Ginyu | Aug 15 2014, 11:10 AM Post #2 |
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Both sides are wrong here. Hamas and the IDF are both just filthy human beings. Not worth my time, no western country should support Palestine nor Israel. Nothing good can come of this situation. |
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| + Pelador | Aug 15 2014, 11:15 AM Post #3 |
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Small groups of militant Palestinians do fire missiles at the Israel border. However I don't think that justifies in anyway what Israel does in retaliation. Perhaps if the international community were tougher on Israel then it wouldn't happen as much? |
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| Graffiti | Aug 15 2014, 11:17 AM Post #4 |
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Ohh my bad, honestly i never really read about Hamas firing missiles, so I was just confused. But look at it from Gaza's point of view, they are stuck in a warzone with no where to go cuz of the blockade, they cant go to Egypt or by sea. Its like a living hell, but 24/7, nonstop.
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| MrTsoi | Aug 16 2014, 01:54 AM Post #5 |
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Yeah both are filthy human beings indeed. There's been tensions and airstrikes, Israel's pre-emptive strikes to retaliate against Hamas by targeting populated areas, this could be seen as collective punishment. That or you buy the whole "Human shield"claim by the IDF which clearly isn't the case. In the end of the day, the ones who do die in the battlefield are innocent Palestinian women and children, with the exception of a few Israelis who are targeted by the rockets. Its imperative that both sides should go negotiate and a agree on a ceasefire, then some other stuff to cut down on the sentiment between the peoples. Israel isn't in good terms with the Arab world in general. Maybe that's why they're so defensive and aggressive. Sure give back some of their land, I don't think that would happen though. I guess they could try and work something out. |
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| Daemon Keido | Aug 16 2014, 02:02 AM Post #6 |
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The problem is that Israel has committed to aggressive expansion since at least the 1960's. The only real way to at least attempt to begin peace talks is to regress back to the post-war borders. However, that will require Israel to pull it's influence from a great amount of land it has since taken. Put simply, the groups that make money in these occupied lands by Israel will not allow it, and especially not with a war-hungry government. What would need to happen first is that both governments are restructured with more peaceful representatives. |
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| Tim | Aug 16 2014, 02:32 AM Post #7 |
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I'm honestly very impressed that the majority of people commenting here so far do have a good understanding of what is basically an apartheid going on in Gaza. I personally hope that international pressure will begin to cause Israel to rethink what is happening - the bombing of UN shelters / schools etc is clearly out of order regardless of any supposed claims. However Israels propaganda has left it that this is all seen as acceptable by a large portion of their population. The worst thing I find about it all though is that the IDF claims they tell the Palestinians where they are going to hit and tell them to leave - but where are they meant to go? They are confined in what is basically the largest open-air prison in the world and then people are surprised when they begin to resist their treatment? I found this article was a very good summary of what is going on: http://www.salon.com/2014/07/28/debunking_the_myths_about_gaza_the_truth_behind_israeli_and_palestinian_talking_points/?utm_content=buffer24a31&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer These two Chris Hedges articles are also a very interesting read: http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/why_israel_lies_20140803#.U-J9vA2mViI.facebook http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_palestinians_right_to_self-defense_20140723 |
  
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| + Ginyu | Aug 16 2014, 09:22 AM Post #8 |
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This is just the problem with Israel The first picture is not needed here, it shows the situation in 1946. It was just all Palestine, it's to emphasize how much the Palestinians got f*cked over by the west. The second picture is what SHOULD be going on. It's the UN Partition Plan. The plan that the UN agreed on and what was going to happen. It's not even completely accurate, the Gaza Strip even had a small extension to the east in the original plan, but whatever. The third picture is the picture that looks most familiar to everybody. It shows the situation after Israeli expansion after 1947 and it stayed that way until 1967. It's also the picture they show on maps today. Marking Palstinian Authority and Israel. The problem with this one is that Israel already went WAY past their borders, they ignored the UN Partition Plan. West Bank was significantly cut down, Acre just completely disappeared and Gaza is just like 33% of what it once was. Thing is. The last picture is what actually is going on. It's ridiculous. The UN set up the borders in the second pictures. Israel was pushing their luck with those borders. They were very lucky to get that land, and the last picture is what's happening right now. And Israel is continuing. Just disgusting and ridiculous. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Aug 16 2014, 09:59 AM Post #9 |
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I feel like I can't give an opinion on this anymore. It's just way too complicated. I've done some study on it and the whole thing is just enormous. It's really not as simple as big bad Israel picking on poor Palestine, far from it. There's been atrocities on both sides and both sides have a fair share of blame for what's going on now. All I can really say is that the situation in Gaza and the West Bank is pretty atrocious and those people subjected to it deserve a lot better. I also feel like Israel's response is disproportionate, though I also recognise that this isn't unprovoked attacks either. |
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| Master Gohan | Aug 17 2014, 06:33 AM Post #10 |
 
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My opinion? I hope Israel gets rid of Hamas and then goes to war with all the Muslim countries near it so this world can be finally rid of those Islamic savages. But then again, Palestinians are so important right? Eh, let me go kill some Syrian children, I should be safe from punishment! |
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| + Ginyu | Aug 17 2014, 08:38 AM Post #11 |
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That's a very short-sighted thought... You want them to go to war with all the muslim countries near them? That probably includes Jordan. Do you know anything about that country? Because if you want them wiped out then I don't think you know anything about that country's politics, laws, economy or demographics. Wanting the world to get rid of ISIS, Boko Haram, Hezbollah and Hamas is one thing, but get rid of Islamic 'savages'? A moderate Christian is no better than a moderate Muslim. Edited by Ginyu, Aug 17 2014, 09:25 AM.
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| Graffiti | Aug 17 2014, 09:52 AM Post #12 |
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Look bruh, the worst thing from being ignorant is being heartless, and short-sighted. If you don't know sh*t, and have nothing to say that is smart besides "kill all muslims", "ohhh, muslims are terrorists", than don't post anything at all. Was Hitler a muslim? No, Was Leopold II of Belgium a muslim? No, Was Josef Stalin a muslim? No. (Somebody close this but its get too heated on here.) Edited by Graffiti, Aug 17 2014, 09:54 AM.
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| Goddess Ultimecia | Aug 17 2014, 10:14 AM Post #13 |
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Yeah? Well your opinion makes you look like a full blown idiot with no idea that there are people who disagree with their government or whatever may be deemed "savage". I'm not sparing you any kindness, this comment you just made reminds me eerily of another dickhead who attempts to generalize millions of people as mindless droning animals. As for this topic I don't know what to think anymore. I was raised thinking Isreal were nice and everything and media puts it that way as well. But this illegal expansion is uncalled for. |
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| Tim | Aug 17 2014, 11:09 AM Post #14 |
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It does get a lot more complicated when you consider that the last was historically the kingdom of israel in the past so hence why they believe they have a claim to the land. It is extremely complicated and extremely unfortunate however the way I see it there is no justification for a lot of the atrocities that are going on over there. The ideal solution would be for Israel to withdraw back out of land its occupied but it just isn't going to happen sadly, not just due to their rapid settling of occupied land. It is a massively complex situation that requires a lot of careful reading and definitely is extremely polarising. I'm happy for it to be discussed here but no more posts such as Master Gohans. It is unnecessary and does not contribute to this discussion in a productive manner. If it happens again I won't post a warning you'll simply see a 20% warn increase and your post removed. If you do it again you'll be banned from this section. The most important part of discussing such strong issues is to be able to add to the discourse around it by having a civil discussion. No more such sweeping generalisations and please remember to contribute to the topic properly in regards to Deep Discussion topics. Edited by Tim, Aug 17 2014, 11:09 AM.
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