GinyuTokusentai

Aug 9 2014, 05:06 PM

People always ask Who's right in Israel-Palestine.
In reality, both porties are wrong.
It's like saying: who do you think is good? The KKK or Boko Haram?

As for my solution?

I agree with Pelador, one side will probably have to be wiped out for violence to stop completely.
But for a less dark solution. Here's how I see it.
Israel wants a genocide of Palestinians. (They don't say it, but it's evident that this is their ultimate goal.)
Hamas wants to have West Bank, Gaza, and all of Israel and wants all jews to leave the area that was before 1945 known as Palestine.
The problem with Israels demands is that they are way too violent, they go against human rights and they're just plain awe full. I don't need to explain why those demands are wrong.
As for Hamas, you can't send home all of the Israeli's. Sure, the west was wrong to give the area to the jews but what's done is done and you can't get rid of them now, just like a Cherokee native American can't force every non-native American to leave North America and go back to Europe, that's absurd.

So what do we do?
Go back to the original borders.
Palestine has the West Bank, Jerusalem, The Entire Gaza Strip and Acre.
Basically the borders that were agreed upon in the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

These were the original borders. The area is divided pretty much 50-50 and simply, this is what the UN ordered.

Now for two questions of criticism to my idea, and my answers to them:
1. What happens to all the Israeli's living in what is currently knows as Israel but according to the plan is knows as Palestine?
Well, hate to say it but those Jews have to move. They shouldn't be there in the first place. The UN gave them a huge piece of land in Palestine and they should've sticked to it. All Jews crossing that line are in the wrong, there's no excuse for it and they should move back.
2. Is this going to end violence?
No, definitely not, these two nations will always fight, but I do think it will be heavily reduced. Israel is strictly permitted to move their borders any further and the UN offers them technology to counter any missiles fired from Palestinian areas.

That's just my idea on it, but then again, I'm just some random guy on the internet and there are probably a lot of flaws to the idea I don't know about

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Aug 9 2014, 09:03 PM

GinyuTokusentai

Aug 9 2014, 05:06 PM

People always ask Who's right in Israel-Palestine.
In reality, both porties are wrong.
It's like saying: who do you think is good? The KKK or Boko Haram?

As for my solution?

I agree with Pelador, one side will probably have to be wiped out for violence to stop completely.
But for a less dark solution. Here's how I see it.
Israel wants a genocide of Palestinians. (They don't say it, but it's evident that this is their ultimate goal.)
Hamas wants to have West Bank, Gaza, and all of Israel and wants all jews to leave the area that was before 1945 known as Palestine.
The problem with Israels demands is that they are way too violent, they go against human rights and they're just plain awe full. I don't need to explain why those demands are wrong.
As for Hamas, you can't send home all of the Israeli's. Sure, the west was wrong to give the area to the jews but what's done is done and you can't get rid of them now, just like a Cherokee native American can't force every non-native American to leave North America and go back to Europe, that's absurd.

So what do we do?
Go back to the original borders.
Palestine has the West Bank, Jerusalem, The Entire Gaza Strip and Acre.
Basically the borders that were agreed upon in the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

These were the original borders. The area is divided pretty much 50-50 and simply, this is what the UN ordered.

Now for two questions of criticism to my idea, and my answers to them:
1. What happens to all the Israeli's living in what is currently knows as Israel but according to the plan is knows as Palestine?
Well, hate to say it but those Jews have to move. They shouldn't be there in the first place. The UN gave them a huge piece of land in Palestine and they should've sticked to it. All Jews crossing that line are in the wrong, there's no excuse for it and they should move back.
2. Is this going to end violence?
No, definitely not, these two nations will always fight, but I do think it will be heavily reduced. Israel is strictly permitted to move their borders any further and the UN offers them technology to counter any missiles fired from Palestinian areas.

That's just my idea on it, but then again, I'm just some random guy on the internet and there are probably a lot of flaws to the idea I don't know about

i can assur you we (Israel) dont want to wipe out all of gaza and its citizens. SOME people do want it but most DONT. Dont you think that israel could wipe out gaza in under a day? Air force alone would erase the land and everyone in it. Israel's goal is to keep its civillians Safe. when people fire rockets and make incredibly long tunnels ( that lead to your people) for terrorists to come kill and kiddnapp them,you would act.

If hamas could they would Kill every single jew in israel if not all of
its citizens which some of them are from other countries.

Israel though, HAS the opportunity to kill everyone in Gaza but you dont see them doing it, IDF wants to take out the threat and go
home, not kill everyone there and take the land. we gave away the land we dont want it.

also, dont start saying that Israel has advanced technology and hamas dont and that makes this genocide and not war. Since when do you have to use things your enemy's have in war? like wtf who the heck made up the rule that you have to use low-end weapons because your enemy is. that is absurd. If israel didnt have the Iron Dome they would easily have over a million dead Civillians. Hamas is targeting israels citizens they just cant hit. Israel is NOT targeting civillians, proof of that is that gaza still exists.
Hamas spent money for tunnels in order to ATTACK israel instead of providing Shelters or spending money for educational purposes for their civillians. for them he more dead Jews and the more dead palestinians the better. They win both the war and the world's support that way.

I support israel, i hope the hamas get blown up and that gaza and israel's Civillians can live in peace.

Also if Israel Loses even once thats it, the end of the road for nearly every jew on the planet. you may THINK they are only after Zionists, but in reality they will kill every jew available.

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Aug 9 2014, 09:34 PM

ahh the schools, please tell me, are there no tunnels in the schools? did they not launch rockets from the schools? Yes, yes they do ( Did, now they're gone) have tunnel exits in
the schools, yes, yes they do launch rockets from there.
Every single cease fire was broken by the hamas as well. besides israel is probably the nicest country there is in these terms. In iraq tens of thousands of innocents were killed by USA, in plenty of other wars there were ALWAYS a TON of casualties. but israel is litteraly targeting only and i mean ONLY the terror sites. sorry for using the air force but we kind of care for our soldiers and dont want them going inside trapped houses and stuff. During this operation few soldiers didnt get a confirmation for aerial support, guess what the entire building blew up when they entered. ( a CIVILLIAN building) yup the hamas makes civillian
buildings trapped with explosives, full of ammunition and loads of tunnel exits. and all that inside non other than *civillian* buildings. so yeah tell me now how Bombing a school full of terrorists,mortars, rocket launchers and traps is wrong. Hamas is just like the Hezbollah and ISIS. just a weaker version of them.

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Aug 9 2014, 09:48 PM

Civillians? inside the tunnels?! Sorry but thats insanely wrong. also read that little edit i added to that post.

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Aug 9 2014, 09:48 PM

A friend of mine happened to be there right now. IDF soldier he is, not a tourist. guess what he sees exactly what im saying here, and if you say thats BS then ill pull out of the conversation because you will obviously hate on israel no matter what. Hamas, ISIS, hezbollah and all those other terrorist organizations. they should all be erased. Again if Israel wanted to kill civillians that would be the easiest job ever. like i said Load up 200 F-15's carpet bomb all over gaza and there you go, 2 million Deaths in gaza. Israel can do that and end it with hamas. But nope, we wont do that even though we have the power too. but if Hamas had the power to do that to israel....... israel and everyone in it will cease to exist.

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Aug 9 2014, 10:01 PM

Tell me why you think israel wants to wipe out all
of gaza?
What makes you think that we would do such a thing?

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Aug 9 2014, 10:15 PM

hamas doesnt kill israel's civillians because they cant.
Also, few politicians dont decide for the whole country. and only the prime minister can give permission to annahilate gaza. and dont compare few crappy soldiers to the entire millitary.
if you wanna compare civillian kills then please add the number lf civillian kills by the UK, US, Iraq, Germany ( excluding nazis)-(im gonna add a bunch of random countries too), Pakistan, russia, north korea,Iran,Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, France. i can keep going with more countries who killed WAY more civillians than israel but ill die before i finish.

2 k civillian deaths is probably one of the lowest civillian deaths im history. didnt check that but im pretty sire if i will check ill be right.