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SPOILERS: Battle of Gods Strength References; We discover how strong a few people are.
Topic Started: Aug 7 2014, 12:22 AM (735 Views)
Selsiuss
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Many people hold Battle of Gods as canon because it has Toriyama involvement. That being said, perhaps it will shed some light on strength placements for certain characters.

Warning, the following contains spoilers.


When Beerus learns that Goku defeated Freeza, Beerus doubts Goku's ability to do so. Goku was in normal form, so this must mean that Base Goku, and concequently the other Saiyans, up to the end of the Buu Saga, are weaker than 100% Freeza. I don't agree with it, but it is what Toriyama thinks apparently.

When the whole Z-Team gangs up on Beerus at Bulma's party, he smacks around everyone quite easily with a fraction of his power, even Ultimate Gohan. When Beerus slaps Bulma and enrages Vegeta, Vegeta powers up greatly, surpassing Goku's power as stated by Roshi and is able to resist Beerus' punches and even knock him back a bit. This could mean that the power gap between Goku, Vegeta, and Ultimate Gohan, even if Gohan is still stronger, may not be that big. A lot of people have Gohan as thousands of times stronger than Goku and Vegeta, but would Vegeta get a rage boost of many thousands of multiples when he fought Beerus? That doesn't happen in the show unless it's kid Gohan going from level 1 to 1300, and that's because he's a half-breed. This would imply that Gohan may not be a huge amount stronger than everyone else.

These are just some observations I made. They're certainly not a final word, but a place to start if we want more information on strength placements.
Edited by Selsiuss, Aug 7 2014, 12:41 AM.
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Beerus suppressed >SS3 Goku.

Beerus suppressed > Good Boo > Piccolo > #18.

Beerus suppressed > Ultimate Gohan > Super Gotenks.

Beerus suppressed > Enraged SS2 Vegeta.

Beerus at full power > Super Boo + Ultimate Gohan + Goten & Trunks & Piccolo.

Beerus at full power > Gogeta (strongest form available at that time).

Beerus at full power > Super Vegetto (SS1).





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When Beerus learns that Goku defeated Freeza, Beerus doubts Goku's ability to do so. Goku was in normal form, so this must mean that Base Goku, and concequently the other Saiyans, up to the end of the Buu Saga, are weaker than 100% Freeza. I don't agree with it, but it is what Toriyama thinks apparently.


You might not want to promote that idea too much here. It's not very concrete and it will lead to a lot of flame.

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When the whole Z-Team gangs up on Beerus at Bulma's party, he smacks around everyone quite easily with a fraction of his power, even Ultimate Gohan. When Beerus slaps Bulma and enrages Vegeta, Vegeta powers up greatly, surpassing Goku's power as stated by Roshi and is able to resist Beerus' punches and even knock him back a bit. This could mean that the power gap between Goku, Vegeta, and Ultimate Gohan, even if Gohan is still stronger, may not be that big. A lot of people have Gohan as thousands of times stronger than Goku and Vegeta, but would Vegeta get a rage boost of many thousands of multiples when he fought Beerus? That doesn't happen in the show unless it's kid Gohan going from level 1 to 1300, and that's because he's a half-breed. This would imply that Gohan may not be a huge amount stronger than everyone else.


One word, Plot. Vegeta getting that rage boost can very well give him a huge rage boost since all he has to do is become stronger than the likes of SSJ3 Gotenks and Mystic Gohan.

Goku goes from being 90,000 to 3,000,000. Gohan goes from being considered trash in the early parts of the Buu Arc to being the strongest unfused character by the end of it. Piccolo goes from being weaker than Base Goku to being stronger than the SSJ Yardrat Goku.
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He didn't insult Gokus power. He poked his body and muscles and said you didnt do it like this basically, which he knows to be true, as he watched freaking video of Goku transforming into a ssj and beating him
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Beerus is trying to get Goku to transform who knows base Goku could beat Frieza but he wants to see a SSJ.
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Good points, gents. I didn't think about it that way. I hope more word comes about it though. We already know Goku is a 6, Beerus a 10, and Whis a 15, so we just need the rest.
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Aug 7 2014, 09:19 AM
Good points, gents. I didn't think about it that way. I hope more word comes about it though. We already know Goku is a 6, Beerus a 10, and Whis a 15, so we just need the rest.
The guy was known to have a horrible temper. It was a character test, Goku lies to him about being a ssj as the form he used vs frieza, then he's lying about knowing of a ssj god.


The one thing implied throughout the movie is questioning Goku and his character more so than his power. He is asked to not pick a fight, and does so anyway. He when told to formally introduce himself basically Hello I'm Goku and its a great honor for you to meet me to a god. He gets cocky and goes ssj3 and then says I can dial it back to 2 since this is too much. He gets mad and charges in when he sees his blood, he endangers the Kai planet swinging wildly because he's been treated as a warm up, and he gets knocked out. He even chooses to stand by and watch everyone get beat and see Vegeta give up every bit of pride he has to protect his friends and family. He becomes a god and admits he hates that he is using the others power, yet he has to be the one to be the god because of his pride, whereas Vegeta not only had showed the most power but skill as well as Beers acknowledged. He even gets mad when a Ki Blast gets thrown his way in their battle of gods.

By every definition, Goku was the prideful, pigheaded saiyan with no regard for the planet or his group, and he was humbled to he admitted, he was out matched and he quit. Like Piccolo said he was being taught a lesson after a certain point.

It was funny because the only "righteous" saiyan was Vegeta. Trunks lied about a girl and wanted to fool everyone. Gohan had no care and regard for the others with the whole Saiyaman stuff and getting Bulma that buzzed. Goten is still Trunks lil follower dreaming about girls himself. Goku is being a prideful idiot. Pan is a fetus. Its basically about subtly showing just how much a good guy Vegeta is now, as he dances, feeds, humiliates, and fights for the others without regard for his own pride or the thrill of a challenge.
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My interpretation is Beerus knows Goku beat Freeza as a Super Saiyan, then he sees Goku with black hair on Kaio's he decides to check if he has the increased muscle mass of a Super Saiyan.

The black hair should be enough but it's not like Beerus knows much about Super Saiyans so perhaps he thinks it changed over time and is merely looking for at least one evidence that Goku is a Super Saiyan. The first thing Beerus does when he walks up to Goku is check his hair though and watching closely he seems to look at Goku's face once while checking him out, perhaps looking to see if he has green eyes?
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