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Hurcule Satan V King Chappa; A Martial-Artist Dream Match
Topic Started: Aug 5 2014, 11:52 PM (2,264 Views)
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Aug 6 2014, 03:39 AM
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Aug 6 2014, 03:30 AM
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Aug 6 2014, 03:15 AM
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Aug 6 2014, 02:58 AM
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Aug 6 2014, 02:55 AM
That is exactly why I'm saying it would be a close fight!
So, he can't do any of that?

Then he'd get bent over and made into Chapa-o's b***. :x
Hurcule can rip apart multiple phone books, cart along multiple coachliner buses with nothing but a simple rope, he can punch a hole in one of said buses, he broke through (I could be wrong on the exact number) 19 concrete tiles stacked on top of each other, and he punched his way through 30+ people infected by the tuffle virus in seconds!

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None of those feats match up against even the earliest we met Goku.

And King Chappa is MUCH MUCH stronger than that Goku. King Chappa is a geniune super human and, while Hercule is strong, AT outright states that he is weaker than the real life fighter, Bob Sapp.

Not to mention that, while we may have never seen the fights from the 24th World Tourney, the Announcer does. Its outright stated that the fight quality was lower than before and that the "serious fighters" that existed in the Dragonball era were scared off by the 23rd Final Eight.

King Chappa outright stomps. Hercule can't seriously hurt him or ANY of the fighters in the Dragonball era who made it out of the preliminaries.
What is AT and where does it state that??? Link me!

And yeah, the 'serious' fighters may have been scared off, but who's to say hurcule isn't a serious fighter? His showcasing of strength is similar to that of chappas, he's proven himself stronger than the average human. I like your argument dude, you're one of the few who is actually bringing some fact to the table. But I'm less convinced that chappa out right stomps. I'm not saying that chappa cant win, I'm saying it would be a pretty close match. Until I see this "AT" you speak of I'm calling it a close one. I think hurcule stacks up well against many of the early/mid dragon ball fighters
AT is Akira Toriyama, the author of the Dragon Ball manga (which includes Z).

All of the feats that we gave were from Goku at the beginning of Dragon Ball. These feats are already more impressive than Mark's, and Chapa-o is vastly superior to the Goku that did those feats.
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The feats Goku, Krillin, and Yamcha performed at the very beginning of the series completely outrank anything Mister Satan did. Goku then went on to become multiple times stronger by the time he participated in the 22rd Tenkaichi Budokai, and that's when Chapa-o was implied by Roshi to be a difficult opponent to beat - Roshi, the guy who went toe-to-toe with Goku at the 21st and then watched as Goku got much stronger, still had his doubts that Goku could beat Chapa-o.

Not counting the anime, the best thing Mister Satan did was break a stack of tiles with effort. Brick walls were being broken at the 21st TB.
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Well, you got me there. But earliest gokus martial arts is ill compared to satan. So I'm calling hurc to win that one (unrelated) regardless. Again, I need to see this AT quote to be completely shut up, but my argument is declining to yours at this stage. I'm still not fully convinced though, I still think it would be pretty close. I don't think hurcule is being rated as high as he deserves to be.
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I'm surprised this thread wasn't closed shortly after it was made. Mr. Satan isn't even stronger than Yamcha at the beginning of Dragon Ball let alone freaking King Chappa, whom Jackie Chun held in high regards.
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BoDB Goku broke 3 bricks with his finger.

That could have been a gag though. Ether way, Goku has lots of other impressive feats at BoDB that people have noted that far outclass anything Mr. Satan has done.

Chapa-o>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BoDB Goku.


Also, Goku was already kind of skilled at martial arts at BoDB
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Well, you got me there. But earliest gokus martial arts is ill compared to satan. So I'm calling hurc to win that one (unrelated) regardless. Again, I need to see this AT quote to be completely shut up, but my argument is declining to yours at this stage. I'm still not fully convinced though, I still think it would be pretty close. I don't think hurcule is being rated as high as he deserves to be.
Why do you need Toriyama's word to concede? It's quite evident in the feats themselves that Mister Satan cannot compare with any of the stronger fighters from even the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai.
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The feats Goku, Krillin, and Yamcha performed at the very beginning of the series completely outrank anything Mister Satan did. Goku then went on to become multiple times stronger by the time he participated in the 22rd Tenkaichi Budokai, and that's when Chapa-o was implied by Roshi to be a difficult opponent to beat - Roshi, the guy who went toe-to-toe with Goku at the 21st and then watched as Goku got much stronger, still had his doubts that Goku could beat Chapa-o.

Not counting the anime, the best thing Mister Satan did was break a stack of tiles with effort. Brick walls were being broken at the 21st TB.
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Let me ask you this. Do you think Satan would be able to beat the hell out of Son Gohan (Goku's grandpa)?
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Aug 6 2014, 03:57 AM
Let me ask you this. Do you think Satan would be able to beat the hell out of Son Gohan (Goku's grandpa)?
I don't know really! Probably not, but Gohan had power behind him, and we never really saw much of what Gohan was capable of.

But I'm beginning to concede. I still don't think Satan would be a push over in a fight against chappa, and I reckon he has every chance of making an impact based on strength and skill! We have never seen Herc up against someone of equal skill level so this is all speculation, but then again, so is many of the counter arguments. But you guys are making some top points, so I think I have to back down on this one. I really have nothing more to add :s
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Well if you believe Gohan can beat Satan, then Chappa should be able to even more easily.

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Aug 6 2014, 04:10 AM
Well if you believe Gohan can beat Satan, then Chappa should be able to even more easily.

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Well it's like I said, I don't know really! We never saw what Gohan was capable of, all we saw of him was the fact he was an old master. Who knows what he was up to in his prime!
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But we did see what he was capable of. Son Gohan conceded to Goku implying that he wouldn't have been able to beat him.
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We don't need to see what someone is capable of to know how they compare to someone else.
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Aug 6 2014, 04:17 AM
We don't need to see what someone is capable of to know how they compare to someone else.
That's not completely true in some cases. It doesn't really matter here though since we know that Gohan is stronger than Mark is.
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Aug 6 2014, 04:17 AM
We don't need to see what someone is capable of to know how they compare to someone else.
How do you figure? If you have nothing to go by you have nothing =p All you'd have is speculation, there's no factual knowledge in that!

But ay, I already conceded here. You lot won this debate! Chappa over Satan for the win, I already agree'd with that. My argument is done!
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I meant we didn't need to see Mecha Freeza in action to know how he compared to guys like Trunks and King Cold.
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