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Changes in Religion
Topic Started: Aug 5 2014, 08:44 AM (2,245 Views)
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All three of the main religions, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all shared the same message in my opinion but slighty different changes to the message. Idk if im going off topic here and I am, then apologies.
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I like the teachings of Sikhism.

The essence of Sikh teaching is summed up by Guru Nanak in these words: “Realization of Truth is higher than all else. Higher still is truthful living.” Sikh teaching emphasizes the principle of equality of all humans and rejects discrimination on the basis of caste, creed, and gender.

Sikhs believe in the Advaita nondualism concept of the omnipresent God and the Soul. Guru Nanak Dev states that the understanding of God is beyond human beings, but at the same time not wholly unknowable. God is omnipresent (sarav viāpak) in all creation and visible everywhere to the spiritually awakened. Nanak stressed that God must be seen from "the inward eye", or the "heart", of a human being: devotees must meditate and do simran to progress towards enlightenment. Guru Nanak emphasized the revelation through meditation, as its rigorous application permits the existence of communication between God and human beings.

With Christianity you have to put some of its teachings aside because they are outdated. Like stoning homosexuals and things of that nature. But with Sikhism they preach positive messages from the day it was first founded. Shows that you can have a monotheistic faith system without the need for vengeance or punishments.


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All three of the main religions, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all shared the same message in my opinion but slighty different changes to the message. Idk if im going off topic here and I am, then apologies.
It is a tad off topic, but they actually all worship the same God, and most of them don't even realize it.

Yeweh is the God of the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible), which is also the God that Abraham worshiped, which is the God that Jesus was claimed to be the son of.
In addition to this, Mohammad was rumored to be able to trace his lineage back to Ishmael, Abraham's second Son.

So... Yeweh, the Christian God, and Allah are all the same God. The three major religions just worship him differently.
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Exactly man, you know what i'm thinking. The terms all refer to one, true "God" in my opinion, it is just that people perform their worships differently.
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I'm not sure where abouts in the topic this is gonna fall into, so I apologise if this seems like it's coming from out of left field. And I apologise if this seems offensive, I do not want to offend anyone by expressing this. But I like to think of myself as an Anti-theist. Sure there are some fantastic morals that came from religion, and our laws are based on many of them and I am grateful for that. But if you look back to history (and even with whats going on right now with Islam and Palestine) look at all the death, genocide, and hatred that religions all over the world are responsible for. How do you preach the word of God by killing millions over the course of time???

I'm so sorry to offend anyone, and I don't mean to at all, but in my eyes religion is the root of allot of evil in this world.
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You mean Isreal and Palestine not Islam. Important not to confuse the two.

Also a lot of the genocide and hatred in the world doesn't come from religion, it comes from greed and ignorance. The two world wars were political. Same for the Napoleonic wars. Idi Amin didn't slaughter people because of religion, he killed them because he was insane. So no, religion is not the root of all evil. Money and not being educated are. And hard drugs like cocaine and heroin.
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Aug 6 2014, 12:07 AM
You mean Isreal and Palestine not Islam. Important not to confuse the two.

Also a lot of the genocide and hatred in the world doesn't come from religion, it comes from greed and ignorance. The two world wars were political. Same for the Napoleonic wars. Idi Amin didn't slaughter people because of religion, he killed them because he was insane. So no, religion is not the root of all evil. Money and not being educated are. And hard drugs like cocaine and heroin.
My apologies, Israel! That's the one. I don't know where I got Islam from, must have been the 'Is' but regardless, thats right!

Now I never said all evil, I said allot of evil. Through out the course of time imagine how many times the words "death to the infidels" have been spoken. People used to burn 'witches' in the name of god... witches!!!! Many un-friendly ties between civilisations have started from religion, plenty of people have been killed in gods name through-out the course of history. It's shocking! People who used to follow science in the middle ages had to work in secret other wise the churches would have them killed. Power started from religion, and the churches are still very powerful today. As far as morality goes religion is the biggest hypocrite in the world. "Thou shalt not kill, unless we say so"
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Aug 6 2014, 12:20 AM
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You mean Isreal and Palestine not Islam. Important not to confuse the two.

Also a lot of the genocide and hatred in the world doesn't come from religion, it comes from greed and ignorance. The two world wars were political. Same for the Napoleonic wars. Idi Amin didn't slaughter people because of religion, he killed them because he was insane. So no, religion is not the root of all evil. Money and not being educated are. And hard drugs like cocaine and heroin.
My apologies, Israel! That's the one. I don't know where I got Islam from, must have been the 'Is' but regardless, thats right!

Now I never said all evil, I said allot of evil. Through out the course of time imagine how many times the words "death to the infidels" have been spoken. People used to burn 'witches' in the name of god... witches!!!! Many un-friendly ties between civilisations have started from religion, plenty of people have been killed in gods name through-out the course of history. It's shocking! People who used to follow science in the middle ages had to work in secret other wise the churches would have them killed. Power started from religion, and the churches are still very powerful today. As far as morality goes religion is the biggest hypocrite in the world. "Thou shalt not kill, unless we say so"
I agree, but "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is more "Thou Shalt Not Kill one's own neighbors, but anyone from neighboring nations or tribes is ok."

There's plenty of times in the Old Testament where God says that it's ok to kill people, but they're all neighboring tribes or people.
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Throughout most of history, witches were seen as a good thing. It was only under Oliver Cromwell that they started being persecuted. As for your science arguement, not true. A lot of the worlds greatest scientists and engineers were Christians and Muslims. There was never any widespread persecution of people who observed the sciences. Since science and God were assumed to be the same thing, then if you studied science then you were also studying God.


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Aug 6 2014, 12:55 AM
Throughout most of history, witches were seen as a good thing. It was only under Oliver Cromwell that they started being persecuted. As for your science arguement, not true. A lot of the worlds greatest scientists and engineers were Christians and Muslims. There was never any widespread persecution of people who observed the sciences. Since science and God were assumed to be the same thing, then if you studied science then you were also studying God.
Issac Newton was a devout Christian who invented physics to try to prove God's existence.

However, your claim about widespread persecution not being present with science is not entirely true. You could study science in the past, as long as your claims didn't conflict with the Bible or other religious texts, than you were ok. Copernicus, Galileo, even Davinci were all persecuted for their beliefs about science and God.

Copernicus believed that the Universe stretched on forever, and eventually died in prison for his beliefs.

Galileo was one of the first to suggest that the Earth was not the center of the Universe, and had a massive misunderstanding with the church; as we all know.

Davinci was placed on house arrest for his belief that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had children, and that his lineage was the true Holy Grail.

However, most well recognized modern scientists are agnostic or atheist though.
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Aug 6 2014, 01:09 AM
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Aug 6 2014, 12:55 AM
Throughout most of history, witches were seen as a good thing. It was only under Oliver Cromwell that they started being persecuted. As for your science arguement, not true. A lot of the worlds greatest scientists and engineers were Christians and Muslims. There was never any widespread persecution of people who observed the sciences. Since science and God were assumed to be the same thing, then if you studied science then you were also studying God.
Issac Newton was a devout Christian who invented physics to try to prove God's existence.

However, your claim about widespread persecution not being present with science is not entirely true. You could study science in the past, as long as your claims didn't conflict with the Bible or other religious texts, than you were ok. Copernicus, Galileo, even Davinci were all persecuted for their beliefs about science and God.

Copernicus believed that the Universe stretched on forever, and eventually died in prison for his beliefs.

Galileo was one of the first to suggest that the Earth was not the center of the Universe, and had a massive misunderstanding with the church; as we all know.

Davinci was placed on house arrest for his belief that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had children, and that his lineage was the true Holy Grail.

However, most well recognized modern scientists are agnostic or atheist though.
Amazing how physics is now the leading argument against God, wouldn't you agree? If M-theory and the big bang are in fact proven, that's the bible thrown in the fiction section of your local library right there.
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Nah. The thing about religion is that people believe it regardless of evidence. You could come up with a mathematical formula proving that god can't exist. You could make a time machine and prove that Jesus wasn't s***. Would that change anything? Absolutely not.


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That's where science differs from religion. If science is proven wrong in any way, the scientists are the first to apologise for getting it wrong. Religion is different, just as you said, you could literally hand the truth to them on a silver platter with references and resources and their faith would still interject. It's like brainwash, really.

But again, my thoughts and opinions. Not meaning to offend the religious population of the forum. Just sharing a thought!
Edited by lucrowe, Aug 6 2014, 01:37 AM.
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This discussion has gone off topic. Might as start a new thread

Pretty much like most religious threads assumptions are being made. We Christians are just like other people. We can think for ourselves. I honestly don't see a problem in having faith in something spiritual or being part of a religion. Science has given us a lot but I like I said there's still so much we don't understand yet. So everyone has their own beliefs and stop talking down about others
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Aug 6 2014, 01:19 AM
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Throughout most of history, witches were seen as a good thing. It was only under Oliver Cromwell that they started being persecuted. As for your science arguement, not true. A lot of the worlds greatest scientists and engineers were Christians and Muslims. There was never any widespread persecution of people who observed the sciences. Since science and God were assumed to be the same thing, then if you studied science then you were also studying God.
Issac Newton was a devout Christian who invented physics to try to prove God's existence.

However, your claim about widespread persecution not being present with science is not entirely true. You could study science in the past, as long as your claims didn't conflict with the Bible or other religious texts, than you were ok. Copernicus, Galileo, even Davinci were all persecuted for their beliefs about science and God.

Copernicus believed that the Universe stretched on forever, and eventually died in prison for his beliefs.

Galileo was one of the first to suggest that the Earth was not the center of the Universe, and had a massive misunderstanding with the church; as we all know.

Davinci was placed on house arrest for his belief that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had children, and that his lineage was the true Holy Grail.

However, most well recognized modern scientists are agnostic or atheist though.
Amazing how physics is now the leading argument against God, wouldn't you agree? If M-theory and the big bang are in fact proven, that's the bible thrown in the fiction section of your local library right there.
I agree.

I recently started a discussion about how finding life on Alien worlds would affect human religious and moral structure.

I don't know what would happen, but all we can know for certain is that it wouldn't be good.
I believe that the government and NASA do know about Alien life, but because they know what would happen if they revealed that information at this time, they're chosing to keep it a secret, and for good reason. There's no telling what kind of hysteria that revealing information like that would cause. Society isn't ready for something that big.

On a related note, planetary science isn't really 100% certain. Just because the standards of life on this planet are what they are, doesn't mean that rule applies universally across the board. For all we know, there could be lifeforms whose primary source of sustenance is carbon monoxide and gamma radiation; both of which are fatal to humans.

However, Justsaiyanbro is right. Time to probably start a new thread.
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