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Beerus vs ?
Topic Started: Jul 30 2014, 09:39 PM (5,322 Views)
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Jul 31 2014, 04:40 PM
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Jul 31 2014, 04:35 PM
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Jul 31 2014, 04:33 PM
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Jul 31 2014, 04:28 PM
I guess that Kaioshin can't and had to rely on Kibito the entire time. But that doesn't make any sense once again because they freaked out, you have to ignore the statement that the pair Goku and Vegeta crushed were the last ones and Elder Kai And Kaioshin's reactions to said action. Saying "How do you know they were" isn't much of an argument btw. I could just as easily say that the pair Gohan had on him weren't legitimate potarras because "How do you know if they're legitimate?"

@Urameshi

I can see it now, Potarra inc.
But it still stands though because that just going off a statement in the past, when we now have more additional info regarding the Kaioshins.
Well do you have a statement of Kaioshin and Elder Kai suddenly learning how to make legitimate Potarra's? Or is your entire argument based on conjecture? Especially when we have evidence to back the opposite, and strong evidence mind you.
Their Gods of Creation.
And? I guess they should be able to create human beings and other forms of life. But they don't, woah. They should be able to create an anti-boo that acts like classic anti matter vs matter sci fi. But they haven't... Still waiting on dat statement though.
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Jul 31 2014, 04:33 PM
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Jul 31 2014, 04:28 PM
I guess that Kaioshin can't and had to rely on Kibito the entire time. But that doesn't make any sense once again because they freaked out, you have to ignore the statement that the pair Goku and Vegeta crushed were the last ones and Elder Kai And Kaioshin's reactions to said action. Saying "How do you know they were" isn't much of an argument btw. I could just as easily say that the pair Gohan had on him weren't legitimate potarras because "How do you know if they're legitimate?"

@Urameshi

I can see it now, Potarra inc.
But it still stands though because that just going off a statement in the past, when we now have more additional info regarding the Kaioshins.
Well do you have a statement of Kaioshin and Elder Kai suddenly learning how to make legitimate Potarra's? Or is your entire argument based on conjecture? Especially when we have evidence to back the opposite, and strong evidence mind you.
Their Gods of Creation.
And? I guess they should be able to create human beings and other forms of life. But they don't, woah. They should be able to create an anti-boo that acts like classic anti matter vs matter sci fi. But they haven't... Still waiting on dat statement though.
Dude, that was in the past I'm going off of updated info. Of course they had no case that they Gods of Creation, they were simply the highest in the universe. And that statement you're waiting on is already on this page.
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I just read through the thread and all I saw was a different interpretation of Goku's statement based on conjecture that contradicts statements and reactions from the past. Conjecture does not override what was shown, especially since we have statements and reactions that contradict said conjecture. And if you're referring to the fact they're Gods of Creation then I've already shown why that logic is flawed.

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I just read through the thread and all I saw was a different interpretation of Goku's statement based on conjecture that contradicts statements and reactions from the past. Conjecture does not override what was shown, especially since we have statements and reactions that contradict said conjecture. And if you're referring to the fact they're Gods of Creation then I've already shown why that logic is flawed.

Stiiillll a-waiting.


And you have yet to realize this is new info we're dealing with.

Past (manga): Goku and Vegeta crushes last of the Potara earrings, no more.

New (Battle of Gods): We find out that the Kaioshins are Gods of Creation, and they have another set of Potara earrings.

You keep bring up conjecture like BoGs is fodder, the facts are shown in the movie they created some since they're the Gods of Creation.

Keep waiting then, I already told you what page.
Edited by Solid Snake, Jul 31 2014, 05:00 PM.
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Jul 31 2014, 04:59 PM
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Jul 31 2014, 04:54 PM
I just read through the thread and all I saw was a different interpretation of Goku's statement based on conjecture that contradicts statements and reactions from the past. Conjecture does not override what was shown, especially since we have statements and reactions that contradict said conjecture. And if you're referring to the fact they're Gods of Creation then I've already shown why that logic is flawed.

Stiiillll a-waiting.


And you have yet to realize this is new info we're dealing with.

Past (manga): Goku and Vegeta crushes last of the Potara earrings, no more.

New (Battle of Gods): We find out that the Kaioshins are Gods of Creation, and they have another set of Potara earrings.

You keep bring up conjecture like BoGs is fodder, the facts are shown in the movie they created some since they're the Gods of Creation.

Keep waiting then, I already told you what page.
It's conjecture man, simple as that. Unless you're suggesting Kaioshin went from NOT being a God of Creation to suddenly being imbued with the power between Boo and BoG. Besides that, trying to apply Gods of Creation as a no-limit thing is a fallacy. If there were no limit he'd of been able to create an anti-boo that could atomise Boo upon contact.

Without having a BoG powerup fantasy that clogs the mind the clear thing here is to see that the potarras in BoG are simply not legitimate copies of the ones we saw in the Boo arc. If I haven't gotten through to you then this entire thing is pointless to go forth with, as you're obviously stuck with your view.
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Jul 31 2014, 04:54 PM
I just read through the thread and all I saw was a different interpretation of Goku's statement based on conjecture that contradicts statements and reactions from the past. Conjecture does not override what was shown, especially since we have statements and reactions that contradict said conjecture. And if you're referring to the fact they're Gods of Creation then I've already shown why that logic is flawed.

Stiiillll a-waiting.


And you have yet to realize this is new info we're dealing with.

Past (manga): Goku and Vegeta crushes last of the Potara earrings, no more.

New (Battle of Gods): We find out that the Kaioshins are Gods of Creation, and they have another set of Potara earrings.

You keep bring up conjecture like BoGs is fodder, the facts are shown in the movie they created some since they're the Gods of Creation.

Keep waiting then, I already told you what page.
It's conjecture man, simple as that. Unless you're suggesting Kaioshin went from NOT being a God of Creation to suddenly being imbued with the power between Boo and BoG. Besides that, trying to apply Gods of Creation as a no-limit thing is a fallacy. If there were no limit he'd of been able to create an anti-boo that could atomise Boo upon contact.

Without having a BoG powerup fantasy that clogs the mind the clear thing here is to see that the potarras in BoG are simply not legitimate copies of the ones we saw in the Boo arc. If I haven't gotten through to you then this entire thing is pointless to go forth with, as you're obviously stuck with your view.
How is it conjecture if I bring in they're Gods of Creation thus being able to create Potara earrings? The material is what makes me agree with this and trying to say they could have created an anti-Buu, the idea was even crafted back then so of course they couldn't do anything like that.

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Jul 31 2014, 04:54 PM
I just read through the thread and all I saw was a different interpretation of Goku's statement based on conjecture that contradicts statements and reactions from the past. Conjecture does not override what was shown, especially since we have statements and reactions that contradict said conjecture. And if you're referring to the fact they're Gods of Creation then I've already shown why that logic is flawed.

Stiiillll a-waiting.


And you have yet to realize this is new info we're dealing with.

Past (manga): Goku and Vegeta crushes last of the Potara earrings, no more.

New (Battle of Gods): We find out that the Kaioshins are Gods of Creation, and they have another set of Potara earrings.

You keep bring up conjecture like BoGs is fodder, the facts are shown in the movie they created some since they're the Gods of Creation.

Keep waiting then, I already told you what page.
It's conjecture man, simple as that. Unless you're suggesting Kaioshin went from NOT being a God of Creation to suddenly being imbued with the power between Boo and BoG. Besides that, trying to apply Gods of Creation as a no-limit thing is a fallacy. If there were no limit he'd of been able to create an anti-boo that could atomise Boo upon contact.

Without having a BoG powerup fantasy that clogs the mind the clear thing here is to see that the potarras in BoG are simply not legitimate copies of the ones we saw in the Boo arc. If I haven't gotten through to you then this entire thing is pointless to go forth with, as you're obviously stuck with your view.
How is it conjecture if I bring in they're Gods of Creation thus being able to create Potara earrings? The material is what makes me agree with this and trying to say they could have created an anti-Buu, the idea was even crafted back then so of course they couldn't do anything like that.

This is my last post on this topic.

The anti-boo thing should be just as valid since they're Gods of Creation, they should've simply been able to create one and sick him at Boo. But they didn't, because they don't have unlimited creation power. The logic is horrendously flawed...

In order to think that the potarra's were legitimate, you'd have to argue that Kaioshin and Elder Kai weren't Gods of Creation back during the Boo arc, and without warning just popped up and were like "Yo, by the way, we were capable of creating the potarra's with a flick of a finger back then, we were just trying to mess with ya even though Boo is going on a tyrannical destruction period..." Sorry if I seem harsh in my disbelief...

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I just read through the thread and all I saw was a different interpretation of Goku's statement based on conjecture that contradicts statements and reactions from the past. Conjecture does not override what was shown, especially since we have statements and reactions that contradict said conjecture. And if you're referring to the fact they're Gods of Creation then I've already shown why that logic is flawed.

Stiiillll a-waiting.


And you have yet to realize this is new info we're dealing with.

Past (manga): Goku and Vegeta crushes last of the Potara earrings, no more.

New (Battle of Gods): We find out that the Kaioshins are Gods of Creation, and they have another set of Potara earrings.

You keep bring up conjecture like BoGs is fodder, the facts are shown in the movie they created some since they're the Gods of Creation.

Keep waiting then, I already told you what page.
It's conjecture man, simple as that. Unless you're suggesting Kaioshin went from NOT being a God of Creation to suddenly being imbued with the power between Boo and BoG. Besides that, trying to apply Gods of Creation as a no-limit thing is a fallacy. If there were no limit he'd of been able to create an anti-boo that could atomise Boo upon contact.

Without having a BoG powerup fantasy that clogs the mind the clear thing here is to see that the potarras in BoG are simply not legitimate copies of the ones we saw in the Boo arc. If I haven't gotten through to you then this entire thing is pointless to go forth with, as you're obviously stuck with your view.
How is it conjecture if I bring in they're Gods of Creation thus being able to create Potara earrings? The material is what makes me agree with this and trying to say they could have created an anti-Buu, the idea was even crafted back then so of course they couldn't do anything like that.

This is my last post on this topic.

The anti-boo thing should be just as valid since they're Gods of Creation, they should've simply been able to create one and sick him at Boo. But they didn't, because they don't have unlimited creation power. The logic is horrendously flawed...

In order to think that the potarra's were legitimate, you'd have to argue that Kaioshin and Elder Kai weren't Gods of Creation back during the Boo arc, and without warning just popped up and were like "Yo, by the way, we were capable of creating the potarra's with a flick of a finger back then, we were just trying to mess with ya even though Boo is going on a tyrannical destruction period..." Sorry if I seem harsh in my disbelief...

You are applying what they are now to what they were back then, which isn't the case.
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I just read through the thread and all I saw was a different interpretation of Goku's statement based on conjecture that contradicts statements and reactions from the past. Conjecture does not override what was shown, especially since we have statements and reactions that contradict said conjecture. And if you're referring to the fact they're Gods of Creation then I've already shown why that logic is flawed.

Stiiillll a-waiting.


And you have yet to realize this is new info we're dealing with.

Past (manga): Goku and Vegeta crushes last of the Potara earrings, no more.

New (Battle of Gods): We find out that the Kaioshins are Gods of Creation, and they have another set of Potara earrings.

You keep bring up conjecture like BoGs is fodder, the facts are shown in the movie they created some since they're the Gods of Creation.

Keep waiting then, I already told you what page.
It's conjecture man, simple as that. Unless you're suggesting Kaioshin went from NOT being a God of Creation to suddenly being imbued with the power between Boo and BoG. Besides that, trying to apply Gods of Creation as a no-limit thing is a fallacy. If there were no limit he'd of been able to create an anti-boo that could atomise Boo upon contact.

Without having a BoG powerup fantasy that clogs the mind the clear thing here is to see that the potarras in BoG are simply not legitimate copies of the ones we saw in the Boo arc. If I haven't gotten through to you then this entire thing is pointless to go forth with, as you're obviously stuck with your view.
How is it conjecture if I bring in they're Gods of Creation thus being able to create Potara earrings? The material is what makes me agree with this and trying to say they could have created an anti-Buu, the idea was even crafted back then so of course they couldn't do anything like that.

This is my last post on this topic.

The anti-boo thing should be just as valid since they're Gods of Creation, they should've simply been able to create one and sick him at Boo. But they didn't, because they don't have unlimited creation power. The logic is horrendously flawed...

In order to think that the potarra's were legitimate, you'd have to argue that Kaioshin and Elder Kai weren't Gods of Creation back during the Boo arc, and without warning just popped up and were like "Yo, by the way, we were capable of creating the potarra's with a flick of a finger back then, we were just trying to mess with ya even though Boo is going on a tyrannical destruction period..." Sorry if I seem harsh in my disbelief...

You are applying what they are now to what they were back then, which isn't the case.
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i think he meant how do it,

also we get the pre movie release statement that beerus is stronger then anyone before so at the least we get
beerus>ssj veggeto
taking into account goku could get a power placement for gotenks in buu saga
i think he would know just how strong a ssj3 veggeto could be
and goku in the movie saying i never knew a power of this realm existed or something
would suggest godku > veggeto ssj3 ?
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I don't see why Vegeta wouldn't know how to do it. He said he saw the poses from the eyes of god.

Eh, I thought the Beerus thing was specifically compared to all previous villains.
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im gonna double check KP but i thought it was everyone

also i agree he would know how to do MOST of it but i think its improbable to know the whole thing
i doubt vegeta payed much attention to it

yeah its definitely character and not just villains i just cant find the damn quote lol
ill try again later i need it lol

also " Yeah, for a world like this to exist" goku says something like this not realm or w/e
so regardless godku would have to be > veggeto ssj if not a hypothetical 3 as well and since beerus is above godku
he would be above veggeto


and tconner an explanation for why the kais were mad or freaking out about portars being destroyed
cause its an holy item, just like how kibito freaked out gohan was in there land and how its sacred
so they changed his clothes, i woudlnt be too happy if i had some sacred holy items that even if i can recreate would be destroyed by a mere mortal, its just not cool

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http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t1929740-bills-vs-buuhan/3.htm

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so its enemies eh
damn w/e lol but movie still makes it clear that godku and beerus>>> anybody else
dimension/world of power are used a lot i just wanna know how MUCH stronger they actually are lol
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