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Beerus vs ?
Topic Started: Jul 30 2014, 09:39 PM (5,325 Views)
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I'm pretty sure GT doesn't account for feats in the show. Feats should only be used when comparing a DB character to a character from another series. Otherwise, we strictly follow powerscalling especially considering GT doesn't give a flak about Feats.
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Jul 30 2014, 11:48 PM
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Jul 30 2014, 11:43 PM
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Jul 30 2014, 11:14 PM
He clears since Gt fighters cant hurt him

Beerus can Casually 1 shot the entire solar system

Gt characters are only Large Star Lvl+
How? How can't a GT fighter hurt him? By my count, post God, Super Saiyan Goku put up a better fight than God Mode Goku against Beerus. He was even winning to an extent.
they don't have the firepower to hurt beerus

Beerus can casually 1 shot any solar system

Gt characters are Only large Star lvl

No statements of them being able to destroy entire solar systems in 1 shot
Ohh wait you're talking about them destroying an actual solar system not just having a blast that is potent enough to do it right? Either way, I thinkwe should use power scaling and say GT characters can do it too
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idk
sure beerus is stronger then veggeto but its never given by how much
add gokus quote about, ''i never knew there was a power of this realm'' or something
beerus should be definitely up there in GT, imo at the minimum he gets to shadow dragon arc and loses
max he clears them all with utter ease, somewhere in there beerus should fit well
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The only thing that gets me about that is the same semi-cosmic stuff the Z-Fighters do at their absolute full power towards the end of the series (And I'm talking Super Gotenks 3, Goku as a Saiyan Ascended Further Beyond, Majin Vegeta and Ultimate Gohan) are the same thing that base level GT Goku, Pan, Trunks and Uub do. Hell, Goten goes from needing to fuse with a friend to even be relevant in Z to flirting with a girl on his Cell phone and fighting the villian one-handed in GT without even powering up. The only reason he DID transform was for plot and because he was mildly irritated that Baby made him look bad infront of his date (Who was still totally impressed that he could fly around and blow up buildings and carry her around in her arms. I'm not even into guys and I kinda wanted me a little GT Goten after that.)

Sure the powerscale isn't "quite there" but the context is very clear. Baring a cosmic plus threat, Goku and the boys don't take ANYTHING seriously in GT because NOTHING even threatens them. And even the things that do threaten them (Rildo, the Sigma Force, Frieza, Ledgic, Mutchy Mutchy) they rarely turn into Super Saiyans to deal with, if ever. I'm just not convinced that Beerus is at GT villian level, none the less Vegetto.
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Jul 31 2014, 01:14 AM
idk
sure beerus is stronger then veggeto but its never given by how much
add gokus quote about, ''i never knew there was a power of this realm'' or something
beerus should be definitely up there in GT, imo at the minimum he gets to shadow dragon arc and loses
max he clears them all with utter ease, somewhere in there beerus should fit well
Why is being stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto special in GT?

Also, take a look at my post and you'll know why Beerus and Whis at best hardly make it to the SD Arc.

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to flirting with a girl on his Cell phone and fighting the villian one-handed in GT without even powering up. The only reason he DID transform was for plot and because he was mildly irritated that Baby made him look bad infront of his date (Who was still totally impressed that he could fly around and blow up buildings and carry her around in her arms.


Dude, the fight between Goten and Bebi was the exact opposite of what your making it out to be. Bebi was toying with Goten the whole time and SSJ Goten's KHH didn't do squat to him.
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Ok then answer one thing. If he was toying so hard, and that Kamehameha wasn't gonna do squat... Why waste time with Goten? Just blast him and move on with your plan. A stronger Saiyan would show up anyways. It really seems like an unessecary step. That and Goten can sense the true depths of an opponents power and still just took him in base while on the phone. If Baby thought he was stronger than Goten, he wouldn't want that body to begin with.
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Jul 31 2014, 01:58 AM
Ok then answer one thing. If he was toying so hard, and that Kamehameha wasn't gonna do squat... Why waste time with Goten? Just blast him and move on with your plan. A stronger Saiyan would show up anyways. It really seems like an unessecary step. That and Goten can sense the true depths of an opponents power and still just took him in base while on the phone. If Baby thought he was stronger than Goten, he wouldn't want that body to begin with.
Because he wants to slowly work his way up to Vegeta.

Goten might not be much to Bebi but his power added to his is still an extra bonus. Also, possessing Goten lets him pose as him to get access to Goku/Vegeta's family.
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How do we know goku was referring potara and not fusion dance?
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Huh, kinda Gary Oak'd me on that one. But i still just don't see Baby winning a straight fight with Goten, especially as a Super Saiyan. Goten's a bit overconfident in GT (Which is still better than Z Bland) but he's no fool, he understands the depths of power that his opponent has (Minus Super 17, but he has no formal Ki to speak of, never the less sense).
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cause they said fusion in general
also yusuke, its not special but its a start

thing is goku saying realm of this power places emphasis on how much above he was compared to anything he has seen or achieved before and beerus being even above that, idk its all speculation

one day i might feel like hes above all of gt the next day below almost everyone not a solid power placement imo
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Jul 31 2014, 02:35 AM
cause they said fusion in general
also yusuke, its not special but its a start

thing is goku saying realm of this power places emphasis on how much above he was compared to anything he has seen or achieved before and beerus being even above that, idk its all speculation

one day i might feel like hes above all of gt the next day below almost everyone not a solid power placement imo
Can you explain that more clearly? I didn't quite understand what you were saying.
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Jul 31 2014, 02:30 AM
Huh, kinda Gary Oak'd me on that one. But i still just don't see Baby winning a straight fight with Goten, especially as a Super Saiyan. Goten's a bit overconfident in GT (Which is still better than Z Bland) but he's no fool, he understands the depths of power that his opponent has (Minus Super 17, but he has no formal Ki to speak of, never the less sense).
I know but we clearly see Bebi laughing off SSJ Goten's KHH like it was a joke. Their should be no doubt that the little blue troll is stronger than Goten based on that.

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also yusuke, its not special but its a start

thing is goku saying realm of this power places emphasis on how much above he was compared to anything he has seen or achieved before and beerus being even above that, idk its all speculation

one day i might feel like hes above all of gt the next day below almost everyone not a solid power placement imo


I see what your trying to say but you need to remember that being stronger than SSJ3 Vegetto doesn't mean jack in the S17 and SD Arcs seeing that Goku and the other villains are a huge amount stronger than Bebi Arc characters. There's no reason for anyone in BoG to get even near Post-10X KHH Absorbed S17 based on that other than "BoG rocks, GT sucks" (not referring to you Havoc, this is more towards other people i've seen lol).
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haha lolz, i see what ur saying good point

but if veggeto is more or less say around goku ssj4 then
god goku would be around at least a good chunk stronger then veggeto
to say a realm of power imo means more then just several times stronger then veggeto, and beerus is a fair amount stronger
but good point he might not be stronger then all of SD then cause of the huge jumps in that arc
but i feel like he would at least be near the beginning of it
maybe not clear it but would still be up there

i would have to rewatch the BOG and GT and stuff to actually give a thought out answer but who has time for that
but u probably are right that he prolly cant clear SD arc, not that i really care if he does or not lol
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Jul 31 2014, 03:19 AM
haha lolz, i see what ur saying good point

but if veggeto is more or less say around goku ssj4 then
god goku would be around at least a good chunk stronger then veggeto
to say a realm of power imo means more then just several times stronger then veggeto, and beerus is a fair amount stronger
but good point he might not be stronger then all of SD then cause of the huge jumps in that arc
but i feel like he would at least be near the beginning of it
maybe not clear it but would still be up there

i would have to rewatch the BOG and GT and stuff to actually give a thought out answer but who has time for that
but u probably are right that he prolly cant clear SD arc, not that i really care if he does or not lol
Well you have a good point for your post but your not a believer of SSJ Vegetto >= SSJ4 Goku are you?

You need to remember that SBV1 was the strongest ki Goku felt up to that point and there's no reason why Vegetto shouldn't be included in that statement.
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okay then
goku ssj4>>sbv1>ssj veggeto cause those were actually felt(cause ki's felt)
but what about goku not even trying veggeto in the movie and the hypothetical
ssj2 and 3 then that statement wouldnt include these forms as they were not ever formed
and goku saying how fusion wouldnt help

veggeto ssj3>>goku ssj 4>sbv1>ssj veggeto still then
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