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Sasuke vs Gohan
Topic Started: Jul 29 2014, 05:31 PM (2,354 Views)
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Just because it's hot doesn't mean it should instantly disintegrate everything that's not how fire works.
A standard fire burns at something like 1000 degrees and yet a fire on logs can burn for hours, being 6000 degrees would make it burn quicker but not instantly.


Completely different series but Bankai Yama's effects are waaay much better. It actually had a more direct statement not just as hot as the sun. But for real though, go to the surface of the sun and come back to tell me you was on fire but nothing you can't handle, then I'll be a believer.
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A standard fire does not burn anything close to that. Where did you get that?

Also it's shown that one can use one's own chakra and/or energy to dispel a Genjutsu. Gohan feels something, anything at all, he goes off. Power level jumps, Genjutsu breaks, super explosive wave, Sasuke gets nuked by the angry five year old.

And... Gohan is a brilliant scientist. He's always been smart, he just gets smarter as Z goes on
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Iron melts at 1538 °C. If so, then why didn't the armor of the samurai melt when Amaterasu was cast on them?

Even if you don't take Popo's words, then they're still fast. Goku dodged Piccolo's blast which crossed the entire island in a single panel. An island about the size of a small continent. Let us say they were in the middle of the island, so the blast had to travel a distance equal to the radius of it. Australia's diameter is 2500 miles, so its radius is about 1250 miles. Let us say the radius of this island is a 1000 miles. The blast crossed it in a single panel, meaning a second, less, or maybe more.

1,000 miles per second = 4730 Mach.

1,000 miles in 10 seconds = 473 Mach.

Which still puts them above the speed of lightning. Even if the distance the blast traveled was only a thousand kilometers, and in 10 seconds, they will be at Mach 300, which puts them at the speed of lightning.

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Lolcalcs like that aren't going to fly here though. We don't know how much time passed in that one panel
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Jul 31 2014, 05:50 PM
Lolcalcs like that aren't going to fly here though. We don't know how much time passed in that one panel
Doubt it was more than 10 seconds :P
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Nah, Vegito won't budge on that one. I made him a really nice Goku speed Calc for a debate and he's all like "Lol math, yeah we don't use that when we talk Akira Toriyama"

(But he didn't tell me how he comes to his speed conclusion, how rude eh? :p)
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Jul 31 2014, 07:30 PM
Nah, Vegito won't budge on that one. I made him a really nice Goku speed Calc for a debate and he's all like "Lol math, yeah we don't use that when we talk Akira Toriyama"

(But he didn't tell me how he comes to his speed conclusion, how rude eh? :p)
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8373051/1/#new

The rules of this section is the reason why we don't use calculations, other than that though carry on.
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See I never got that. It is Science Fiction. There has to be some fictional science doing sh-t somewhere in there. Unless it involves magic wish granting balls of stone that summon inter dimensional dragons that- ok I can see where the discrepancy is, but the show don't tell rule always applies to fiction regardless.
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Is Kakashi's feat of cutting a lightning bolt being brought into question? Look at these two statements for a second;

"You must be calm as the sky, faster than lightning."

"The attack got it's name when Kakashi used it to cut through a bolt of lightning."

The first one is clearly a hyperbole. It's telling to be extremely fast, using something that's very fast as an example. There's literally no way that you can reasonably interpret the second statement as a hyperbole. We're told that he did actually do it, and Gai isn't one to make something up like that.
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Either way, back to the topic, Sasu still hasn't cut up any lightning. And he's not cutting up Season 3 Gohan. Maybe season 1 Gohan, season 2 is a stretch. But Season 3?
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Yeah I can't see him hurting (angry and motivated) Namek Gohan. But yeah it's nearly impossible to interpret literally cutting a bolt of lightning as a hyperbole.

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Just because it's hot doesn't mean it should instantly disintegrate everything that's not how fire works.
A standard fire burns at something like 1000 degrees and yet a fire on logs can burn for hours, being 6000 degrees would make it burn quicker but not instantly.


Completely different series but Bankai Yama's effects are waaay much better. It actually had a more direct statement not just as hot as the sun. But for real though, go to the surface of the sun and come back to tell me you was on fire but nothing you can't handle, then I'll be a believer.
Well Yamamoto's fire was stated to be either 1.5 million degrees or 15 million, I take Amaterasu as being the surface of the suns temp, so 600 degrees.

So yeah THAT much heat would instantly disintegrate most things but not 600 degrees.


Personally I'm not sure I believe Kakashi is that fast like in travel speed, I believe he could cut lightning were it to hit within arms length.
So with that statement I take it as just being a lightning jutsu he overpowered with Chidori.

But if anyone takes Popo's statement as legit, I'm taking Gai;s statement as legit since you can't dismiss the only that's not obvious hyperbole for the one that is.

Barring that statement though Kakashi is still damn fast as are most ninja Body Flicker is shown to be very fast and it's just them running/jumping with some smoke as a distraction, and obviously Naruto etc are fast.
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So, what is the threshold for 6000 degrees Kelvin then?
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@supersaqer and TheAce No no no. I agree with supersaqer's calcs. Other people don't like to use them though

@kakashi cutting lightning I'm not saying it's a hyperbole. I'm saying how he did it is vague and I don't think we should jump to conclusions yet and say they're faster than lightning

@amaterasu if it was as hot as the sun it would be pretty clear. The environment would be getting destroyed
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Jul 31 2014, 09:48 PM
@supersaqer and TheAce No no no. I agree with supersaqer's calcs. Other people don't like to use them though

@kakashi cutting lightning I'm not saying it's a hyperbole. I'm saying how he did it is vague and I don't think we should jump to conclusions yet and say they're faster than lightning

@amaterasu if it was as hot as the sun it would be pretty clear. The environment would be getting destroyed
Using logic, we can conclude that Kakashi reacted to the lightning bolt as it was coming at him. There are two possibilities

1) He wasn't expecting it and reacted
2) He was expecting it and prepared a Raikiri in advance

Either way, he managed to react to lightning and cut the bolt.
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